Length of string on instrument to produce specific frequency

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves designing a two-string instrument where one string must be adjusted to produce a specific frequency (C#) when pressed against a fret. The context includes considerations of string tension, mass, and length, with a focus on the relationship between these factors and the resulting frequency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of string tension and its implications for frequency. There are questions about the units used for length and mass, as well as the correct approach to determining mass per unit length (μ) for the shorter string length.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and attempting various calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of mass per unit length, but no consensus has been reached on the correct answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original mass and length are given in grams and centimeters, respectively, which may affect calculations. There is also a mention of the need to consider the mass of the entire string rather than a portion when calculating μ.

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Homework Statement


You are designing a two-string instrument with metal string 35.0 long, as shown in the figure . Both strings are under the same tension. String has a mass of 8.45 and produces the note middle C (frequency 262 ) in its fundamental mode.

To extend the range of your instrument, you include a fret located just under the strings, but not normally touching them. How far from the upper end should you put this fret so that when you press tightly against it, this string will produce C# (frequency 277 ) in its fundamental?

Homework Equations



f= (1/(2L)) * (F/u)^.5, where f is the frequency, L is length of the string, u is the mass per unit distance, and F is the tension force.

The Attempt at a Solution



So I found that the tension of the string to be 812N. Using that, I solved for x: 277= (1/(2x)) *(812/(.00845/x))^.5

x= .313, which means 31.3 cm. It's asking how far form the upper end, so 35-31.3cm = 3.7cm.

However, this is not correct. Anyone know why?
 
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idkididk said:
So I found that the tension of the string to be 812N.
How did you solve for that? What units are the length and mass given in?

Edit: I see. Length in cm and mass in grams.
 
idkididk said:
So I found that the tension of the string to be 812N. Using that, I solved for x: 277= (1/(2x)) *(812/(.00845/x))^.5
8.45 is the mass of the full string, so don't divide by the new (smaller) length to find μ. (μ is a constant for the string material, regardless of length.)
 
^I just tried that, 277= (1/(2x)) *(812/(.00845/.35))^.5, and got x=33cm, so the answer would be 2, but that's not it either

EDIT: Ok nevermind the answer is 1.9 lol. Thanks!
 
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