Which Frequency is NOT Possible for a Vibrating String?

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The problem involves a string fixed at both ends, vibrating in its second harmonic mode, with specific parameters such as mass, length, and tension. Participants are tasked with identifying which of the given frequencies is not possible for the string's harmonic frequencies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the string's velocity and fundamental frequency, questioning the relevance of the second harmonic information. Some express uncertainty about the problem's setup and the implications of the word "NOT" in the question.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the harmonic frequencies and their relationship to the fundamental frequency. Some participants have offered hints and clarifications, while others are still questioning the assumptions made in the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the problem's wording and the implications of the second harmonic mode. There is a focus on ensuring that all possible harmonic frequencies are considered in the context of the given parameters.

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Homework Statement


A string (m = 1 kg) fixed at both ends is vibrating in its second harmonic mode. If the length of the string is 2 m and it feels 50 N of tension, which of the following is NOT a possible harmonic frequency for this string?
  • a) 1.25 Hz
  • b) 2.5 Hz
  • c) 5 Hz
  • d) 10 Hz
  • e) 20 Hz

Homework Equations


  • v=sqrt(T/μ)
  • fn=(nv)/(2L)

The Attempt at a Solution


  • μ=1 kg/2 m = 0.5 kg/m
  • The velocity is 10 m/s, from sqrt(50 N/0.5 kg/m)
  • The frequency is 5 Hz, from (2 * 10 m/s)/(2 * 2 m)
4. My thoughts
I feel like this problem has an error, since I actually got a specific answer, and only one answer is possible given all the information from the question. Can someone here please confirm this?
 
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Aiyan said:
I feel like this problem has an error, since I actually got a specific answer, and only one answer is possible given all the information from the question. Can someone here please confirm this?
The problem seems OK to me. Hint: What is the fundamental frequency of the string? (The fact that it happens to be vibrating in the second harmonic is a red herring.)
 
Also: Be mindful of the word "NOT" in the question:
Aiyan said:
which of the following is NOT a possible harmonic frequency for this string?
 
Doc Al said:
The problem seems OK to me. Hint: What is the fundamental frequency of the string? (The fact that it happens to be vibrating in the second harmonic is a red herring.)
f1=v/(2L)=2.5 Hz.
I don't get how the second harmonic information is unrelated, it means that n=2 right?
 
Aiyan said:
f1=v/(2L)=2.5 Hz.
Good.

Aiyan said:
I don't get how the second harmonic information is unrelated, it means that n=2 right?
Sure. What about the other modes? Of the frequencies listed, which one is NOT a possible harmonic?
 
Doc Al said:
Good.Sure. What about the other modes? Of the frequencies listed, which one is NOT a possible harmonic?
Oh, a) 1.25 Hz because the minimum frequency is 2.5 Hz. Thanks for your help!
 
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