Lenny's battle with Stephen Hawking to make the world safe for quantum mechanics

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The discussion revolves around Leonard Susskind's new book, which details his intellectual conflict with Stephen Hawking regarding quantum mechanics and black holes. Participants explore themes related to string theory, personal narratives in scientific discourse, and the broader implications of these ideas within the physics community.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express enthusiasm for Susskind's role in popularizing string theory, noting his humor compared to other physicists like Brian Greene.
  • There is mention of Susskind's lectures at the Perimeter Institute, which are available for viewing, indicating a desire to engage with his ideas more deeply.
  • One participant presents a metaphorical interpretation of fundamental particles, suggesting that if electrons are described as being made of energy, then the term "energy" loses its meaning, leading to a humorous conclusion that they could be considered made of "baloney."
  • Another participant highlights the narrative style of Susskind's book, comparing it to Lee Smolin's work, suggesting that personal experiences and travels enrich the understanding of complex scientific ideas.
  • There is a reference to the intellectual conflict between Susskind and Hawking, emphasizing the dramatic personalities involved and the scientific revolution that arose from their debates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share an interest in Susskind's work and the themes of his book, but there is no consensus on the interpretations of the concepts discussed, particularly regarding the metaphorical language used to describe fundamental physics.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions may depend on personal interpretations of scientific concepts, and the use of metaphorical language introduces ambiguity that is not universally accepted among participants.

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Backreaction blog picked up on the subtitle of Susskind's new book
http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~scherer/Blogging/BookFair/DSCF5540.JPG

THE BLACK HOLE WAR: My battle with Stephen Hawking to make the world safe for quantum mechanics.

Peter Woit pointed this out.

I like having Susskind be Mr. String Theory. He is a lot funnier than Brian Greene.
 
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The side notice at Woit's, that Lenny goes to [itex]\Pi[/itex], is also interesting.
 
It sure is! A couple of months ago he was up there giving a series of lectures (on video)
about black hole, entropy, holography...
The lectures are in the PIRSA catalog, so Susskind fans can go to the Perimeter Institute website and pig out on watching Lenny.
 
The world is made of tiny vibrating strands of baloney.

I just had a deep satisfying realization. If you say that this is made of that---like electrons are made of energy---and in that context you can't give a functional definition of energy (besides saying it is what electrons are made of) then the word doesn't mean anything in that context and instead of energy you might as well say baloney.

So electrons are made of baloney, or if they are made of strings, then the strings made are made of baloney. Tiny vibrating strands, it would seem.

And suddenly Leonard Susskind became a lot clearer to me. I found something about his Black Hole War story book on the web:
http://www.powells.com/tqa/susskind.html

It looks like he may have learned from the example of Smolin's "Trouble" book which communicates through a kind of Odyssey, personal experience of the different places Smolin went and people he picked up ideas from as he went in search of understanding.

Susskind's Adventures is even more wide-traveling:
The story starts in Werner Ehrhardt's Mansion in San Francisco, and eventually passes through all seven continents, including Antarctica.
 
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PF got a mention in Woit's blog. Thanks Peter!

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=611

the comments to this post are a scream. I recommend everyone to get over there and sample the first 20 or so comments. I was laughing almost uncontrollably.

Peter updated the post today to kindly include mention of our PF thread. He also quoted the whole paragraph from the Susskind interview that i just picked the sentence from about Werner Erhard and the Seven Continents including Antarctica.

It's pretty good so I will quote the whole paragraph here too:

For two decades an intellectual war took place between Stephen Hawking, on the one side, and myself and Gerard ‘t Hooft on the other. The book is about the scientific revolution that the controversy spawned, but also about the colorful personalities and the passions that gave the story its drama. The story starts in Werner Ehrhardt’s Mansion in San Francisco, and eventually passes through all seven continents, including Antarctica.

 

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