Lie group multiplication and Lie algebra commutation

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the commutation relations of the generators of a Lie algebra and the multiplication laws of the corresponding Lie group, specifically focusing on ##SO(3)##. Participants explore the implications of these relations and seek to clarify the nature of the multiplication law in the context of Lie groups and algebras.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the commutation relations of the generators of a Lie algebra can determine the multiplication laws of the Lie group elements.
  • Another participant suggests finding matrices that satisfy the commutation relations to build a basis for the Lie algebra, leading to group elements through exponentiation.
  • There is a question about whether the multiplication law means that multiplying two group elements results in another group element or if it refers to a specific additive property of the exponents in the group multiplication.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the latter interpretation is generally not true, referencing the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula.
  • One participant proposes that the multiplication law could be defined as matrix multiplication, while noting that the exponential form arises from infinitesimal rotations.
  • It is mentioned that infinitesimal rotations are commutative, but the rotations themselves are not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the precise definition of the multiplication law for ##SO(3)##, and there is no consensus on the interpretation of the multiplication law in relation to the commutation relations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula on the multiplication law, and there are assumptions about the nature of the group elements and their representations that remain unexamined.

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I've heard it said that the commutation relations of the generators of a Lie algebra determine the multiplication laws of the Lie group elements.

I would like to prove this statement for ##SO(3)##.

I know that the commutation relations are ##[J_{i},J_{j}]=i\epsilon_{ijk}J_{k}##.

Can you suggest a possible next step for showing how this can be used to determine the multiplication law for ##SO(3)##?
 
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I'm not used to Lie but I think the steps are : You could find a set of matrices that satisfy these commutation relation, $$J_k $$

Then it builds a basis for the Lie algebra.

By exponentiating we get elements of the group SO (3)

Thus we need to compute $$exp (aJ_x+bJ_z)$$ for exemple.
 
Does the multiplication law refer to the fact that if we multiply two elements ##e^{i\theta_{1}J_{1}}## and ##e^{i\theta_{2}J_{2}}## from the Lie group, we get an element which is also in the Lie group?

Or does the group multiplication law refer to the fact that ##e^{i\theta_{1}J_{1}}e^{i\theta_{2}J_{2}}=e^{i(\theta_{1}J_{1}+\theta_{2}J_{2})}##?
 
failexam said:
Does the multiplication law refer to the fact that if we multiply two elements ##e^{i\theta_{1}J_{1}}## and ##e^{i\theta_{2}J_{2}}## from the Lie group, we get an element which is also in the Lie group?

Or does the group multiplication law refer to the fact that ##e^{i\theta_{1}J_{1}}e^{i\theta_{2}J_{2}}=e^{i(\theta_{1}J_{1}+\theta_{2}J_{2})}##?

The last is in general not true see Baker Campbell Hausdorff formula
 
Alright then, how would you define the multiplication law for ##SO(3)##?
 
The operation could be matrix multiplication but the exponential comes from writing a rotation out of an infinitesimal one.

Infinitesimal rotations are commutative but rotations are not.
 

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