Light and atom interaction hamiltonian

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The discussion revolves around the interaction Hamiltonian of a two-level atom with an electromagnetic field, focusing on the mathematical treatment of terms in the Hamiltonian and their physical implications. Participants explore the quantization of the dipole moment and the electromagnetic field, as well as the conditions under which certain terms can be omitted.

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  • One participant presents the interaction Hamiltonian and questions how to mathematically eliminate certain terms that correspond to transitions to non-existing states.
  • Another participant argues that the terms in question are physically zero due to the limitation of the two-level system, suggesting a mathematical argument exists to support this claim.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about whether a mathematical trick can be used to remove the terms and asks if the Hamiltonian allows transitions to valid states.
  • There is a question regarding the commutation of the interference Hamiltonian with the free Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant discusses the quantization of the dipole moment and the electromagnetic field, mentioning canonical quantization methods and the Jaynes-Cummings model as a starting point.
  • A later reply references the Rotating Frame Approximation (RWA) as a method to omit certain terms in the Hamiltonian, indicating that a complete calculation would include terms for photon emission and energy transitions.

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Participants express differing views on the mathematical treatment of certain terms in the Hamiltonian and whether they can be omitted. There is no consensus on the methods for eliminating these terms or the implications of doing so.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the terms in question correspond to transitions that cannot occur in a two-level system, but the mathematical justification for their elimination remains unclear. The discussion also touches on the quantization process, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions not fully explored.

naima
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I found this in a Phd thesis

consider a two level atom interacting with the electromagnetic field.
The atom is described by
##H_{at} = \hbar ω_0 J_z##
a monomode electric field is described by
##H_{em} = \hbar \omega (a^\dagger a + 1/2)##
We have ##E = E_0(a^\dagger + a)## and the dipolar moment is ##D = d_o(J_+ - J_-)##
We have then ##H_{int} = -DE##

So this interference hamitonian contains four terms
a) ##a J_+ and a^\dagger J_-##
but also
b) ##a J_- and a^\dagger J_+##
the author writes later a formula without the b) terms.
How can we make them disappear (mathematically)?
 
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Physically, they are zero because they correspond to transitions to non-existing states (as we just have two states). There is also some more mathematical argument that I forgot, but they are really zero.
 
I have no doubt about it. But as he begins with a hamiltonian with the b) terms i think that there is a mathematicall trick to erase them.

Take (g,n). Does his hamiltonian permit to get (e,n+1) which exists?
 
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Has an interference hamiltonian to commute with the free hamiltonian?
 
naima said:
I have no doubt about it. But as he begins with a hamiltonian with the b) terms i think that there is a mathematicall trick to erase them.

Take (g,n). Does his hamiltonian permit to get (e,n+1) which exists?

If I understand your notation, the terms in (b) either lower the state and absorb a photon (which cannot happen) or raise the state and emit a photon (which also cannot happen). As for the above, the interaction Hamiltonian connects (g,n) with (e, n-1).
 
My question is about the DE hamiltonian (D is the dipole,E is the electric field)
How is it quantized?
The answer may be in the fact that DE is a scalar product and that E is transverse so it gives 2 components?
 
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Thank you for the link. It says that two of the four terms can be omitted according to the Rotating Frame Approximation (RWA)
So in a full correct calculus we would have a small term corresponding to an electron emitting a photon and getting a higher energy!
 
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