Light from Big Bang: 14 Billion Years Old and Counting

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light from the Big Bang, specifically the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR), its journey through the expanding universe, and the implications for visibility of distant cosmic objects over time. Participants explore concepts related to the age of this light, the effects of cosmic expansion, and the eventual detectability of such light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning that light from a source 30 million light years away took 14 billion years to reach us due to the expansion of the universe.
  • Another participant states that the light will continue to redshift until its wavelength exceeds the cosmic background radiation, making it undetectable.
  • Some participants propose that while the time for light to reach us approaches infinity, it will remain finite for any finite amount of time.
  • A later reply challenges the idea that the time to reach us will ever become infinite, suggesting instead that it increases without bound but remains finite.
  • One participant shares an alternative explanation involving the scale factor of the universe and the implications of cosmic expansion on the visibility of the CMBR over time.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for the explanations provided and shows interest in further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the time for light to reach us can truly become infinite, with some asserting it remains finite while others suggest it approaches infinity. The discussion includes multiple competing interpretations of the implications of cosmic expansion on the visibility of distant light sources.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of distances in cosmology and the implications of redshift on detectability. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the scale factor and its impact on the perceived age and distance of cosmic objects.

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Readers interested in cosmology, the nature of the universe's expansion, and the implications for observational astronomy may find this discussion relevant.

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Question:
Please correct me if I am wrong:
the oldest light that we just begin to receive is around 14 billion light years old.

This light originated from a lightsource that was about
30 million light years away (380,000 years after big bang.)

So although the lightsource was 30 million light years away, the light took about 14 billion light years to reach us, because of the expansion of the universe.

At the present, the lightsource is physically located about 46 billion light years away from us. (although its light has traveled 14 billion years only).

However, by the same reasoning, the light that is just leaving the light source will take more than 46 billion light years to reach us.

Therefore, the new light from the identical light source takes significantly longer time to reach us. As more and more new light is formed, then, the time it takes for the new light to reach us will evermore increase, until it increases to infinity.

Therefore, the object will some day no longer be visible.

Is my reasoning correct? Also, if this is correct, does that mean
the object that we barely begin to see
(the first light from big bang reaching us as a cosmic microwave background),
will appear as a cosmic microwave background
and then disappear completely in the later future?
 
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It will continue to redshift until its wavelength exceeds the cosmic background radiation. It will then be undetectable.
 
Also, I think the time to reach us does approach infinity, but I think it will remain finite for any finite amount of time. So it would take an infinite amount of time for it to no longer be visible.
 
Chronos said:
It will continue to redshift until its wavelength exceeds the cosmic background radiation. It will then be undetectable.

Would it ever exceed the wavelength of the CMB?
 
4everphysics said:
the time it takes for the new light to reach us will evermore increase, until it increases to infinity.

Therefore, the object will some day no longer be visible.

Is my reasoning correct?

No. Your reasoning is too loose. It is more correct to say that the time it takes for the light to reach us increases without bound. But it will never reach infinity. It will always be a finite number.
 
4ever...that explanation seems really good...congrats!
Here is another I keep in my notes [from these forums] almost like yours, but you'll see it starts a little earlier, uses 41mly instead of your 30mly at age 380,000 yrs, and shows how the scalefactor works:

When it is said that in the beginning the universe was the size of a very dense pea what is being referred to is the then visible part of the universe, the small part we can see out to the origin of the CMB. The actual universe at that time extended past that radius perhaps even infinitely...
We only get the CMBR light from some particular batch of early matter once and it passes by. Tomorrow we will get light from matter that is farther away than that batch of light we got yesterday because the universe continues to expand. The source of the CMBR [the surface of last scattering] is now about 45b light yrs away, [it slowly increases as the universe gets older] but the CMBR light we get was emitted 13.7 billion years ago...since then, while the light has been traveling towards us the universe has expanded by a factor of 1090, the cosmic expansion and redshift z =1091, so the distance then must have been 45 bly divided by 1091 or 41mlyr.

Also if you are interested, see the illustrations by Lineweaver and Davis here, figure 1:

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808

They take some careful reading, some thought and study, but if you can figure them out, you'll have a throrough understanding of cosmological expansion and measures...and then you can explain them to me!
 
Thank you so much for all your help everyone! and Naty1, thank you for such a strong enthusiasm. I will sure read that article and ask you more if you do not mind!
Sincerely
 

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