Reading of planets billions of light years away

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the observation of distant galaxies and planets, specifically addressing how we can determine their composition despite the vast distances involved, which result in light taking billions of years to reach us. Participants explore concepts related to light travel time, the nature of astronomical observations, and the implications of an expanding universe.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that while we can observe galaxies billions of light years away, we do not see planets at such distances, with the most distant exoplanets discovered being around 25 light years away.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of light travel, with some participants clarifying that light takes one year to travel one light year, and thus light from distant galaxies takes billions of years to reach us.
  • One participant mentions that we see objects as they were in the past, providing examples such as the Sun being seen as it was 8.25 minutes ago and the Andromeda Galaxy as it was approximately 2.5 million years ago.
  • A participant introduces a calculator tool to compare light travel times with the actual distances of objects, noting that distances expand while light is traveling to us, complicating the relationship between light travel time and current distances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of light travel times and distances, with some clarifying misunderstandings about the nature of light years and the implications of observing distant objects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about light travel and the expansion of the universe, as well as the complexities involved in relating light travel time to current distances of astronomical objects.

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We can see galaxies/planets light years away determine their composition such such as if they have water et cetera. My question is if light takes billions of years to reach us from there how is that we can determine such things? Is the speed at which a telescope can zoom faster than the speed at which light can travel? or are we merely seeing the photos of the planet/galaxy millions of years ago?Thanks
 
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Images of long ago and far away, but in an isotropic and homogeneous universe.
 
Niaboc67 said:
We can see galaxies/planets light years away determine their composition such such as if they have water et cetera. My question is if light takes billions of years to reach us from there how is that we can determine such things?

We do see galaxies some billions of lightyears away
we don't see planets billions of light years away
the most distant exoplanets so far discovered are around 25 lightyears maximum
we determine chemical composition of star etc by their spectrum

Niaboc67 said:
Is the speed at which a telescope can zoom faster than the speed at which light can travel? or are we merely seeing the photos of the planet/galaxy millions of years ago?

we are seeing the objects as they were xx years ago
our Sun we see it as it was 8.25 minutes ago
Alpha Centauri one of the closest stars - as it was a little over 4 years ago
Andromeda Galaxy ( M31) as it was ~ 2.5 million years ago

and so oncheers
Dave
 
Thanks Doug and Dave! That was on the lines of what I thought, just wasn't positive.
 
Niaboc67 said:
We can see galaxies/planets light years away determine their composition such such as if they have water et cetera. My question is if light takes billions of years to reach us from there ...
Are you sure you understand what you just said? What you said was "we can see galaxies/planets so far a away that it takes years for their light to reach us but it takes billions of years for the light to reach us ... " Light takes one year to travel one light year, not a billion years to travel one light year.
 
phinds said:
Are you sure you understand what you just said? What you said was "we can see galaxies/planets so far a away that it takes years for their light to reach us but it takes billions of years for the light to reach us ... " Light takes one year to travel one light year, not a billion years to travel one light year.

That's not what I meant. I was saying that since these galaxies/planets I am referencing are billions of light years away it would take light that long to travel through space.
 
Niaboc67 said:
That's not what I meant. I was saying that since these galaxies/planets I am referencing are billions of light years away it would take light that long to travel through space.
OK, but you can perhaps see how I interpreted your statement "light years" as meaning "light years" not "billions of light years". Never mind. I'm an inveterate nit-picker. :smile:
 
Cobain, if you are interested in comparing light travel times with the actual distance to the object now versus when it emitted the light, then click on this:
http://www.einsteins-theory-of-relativity-4engineers.com/LightCone7/LightCone.html
You can make the table bigger by increasing the number of steps. As it shows up at first it has only about 10 steps or 10 rows.
For example one row says
0.097 ...10.291 ...0.5223... 0.7851 ...30.918 ...3.004 ...

That means in year 522 million, when the galaxy was 3.004 billion LY from here, it sent us some light, traveling at the usual speed.
And it is now year 13.787 billion (that is, around 13.2 billion years later) and the light arrives! And the galaxy is now over 10 times farther from us. Its present distance is 30.918 billion LY. That is because distances expand while light is making its journey, on its way to us.

One reason we like the calculator and use it a lot (or use other calculators like it) is because there is no simple relation between the light travel time and the distances to the thing (now or back then when it emitted the light we are now getting from it.)

In the example the present is year 13.787 billion and the light was emitted in year 0.522 billion so the travel time is 13.787 - .522 = 13.265 billion years.
This travel time has no simple relation to the distances (now 30.9 billion LY and then 3.004 billion LY) because the rate of distance expansion is changing over time
according to the basic equation of cosmology.
 

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