Light from the big Bang/Inflation

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The discussion revolves around the visibility of light from the Big Bang, the implications of the universe's shape and size, and the nature of the singularity. Participants explore theoretical concepts related to cosmology, including the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and the expansion of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why we cannot see light from the Big Bang, suggesting that the universe's expansion may be a factor.
  • One participant asserts that we cannot see beyond the surface of last scattering, indicating a limit to our observational capabilities.
  • Another participant explains that the CMB is the light from the Big Bang that we can observe, having decoupled from matter after the universe cooled.
  • There is a discussion about the universe's shape, with some suggesting that if it were spherical, it could be larger than the observable universe.
  • Participants express differing views on the nature of the singularity, with some suggesting it may simply disappear under a more complete theory of gravity.
  • Links to external articles are provided, which offer further explanations on cosmological horizons and misconceptions about superluminal expansion.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the visibility of the Big Bang light and the implications of the universe's shape. Some points remain unresolved, particularly about the nature of the singularity.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the universe's shape and the nature of the singularity, as well as the dependence on definitions of observable versus actual universe.

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Okay, so here's my questions:

1. Why can't we see the light from the big bang? If it happened 14 billion years ago, shouldn't we be able to see the light from the big bang by now? Or is the Earth and everything else moving away from the spot of the big bang faster than or at the speed of light? (Space itself can move at rates that are technically faster that light, right?)

2. If the universe where spherical, then the universe could be bigger than 13-14 bil. LY in diameter, right?

3. What do we think the singularity was "Made out of"? Dark matter/Energy, strings, energy, etc.

Thanks,

-Lazer
 
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We can see nothing beyond the surface of last scattering. Period.
 
Light is emitted form the centre of the sun, yet we can't see the centre of the sun. This is becuase the plasma is opaque, so one can only see the surface. Similarly the CMB was emitted 380,000 years after the big bang. This is known as the era of recombination. The CMb at the time of recombination is an opaque plasma like the surface of the sun , hence we cannot get any lights from the big bang.
However the structure of the CMB can give us clues as to what happened before the era of recombination. But it is not a direct observation of the light.
 
Lazernugget said:
1 . Why can't we see the light from the big bang?
We can! It's called the cosmic microwave background. This is the radiation that decoupled from matter as soon as the universe cooled to the point where neutral hydrogen could form. It has since been streaming across the cosmos...

2. If the universe where spherical, then the universe could be bigger than 13-14 bil. LY in diameter, right?
It's important to point out that the observable universe is ~ 28 Mpc -- the actual universe is likely much larger -- perhaps infinite. The observable universe is, however, very nearly flat. If the universe is in fact spherical, then it has a comparatively large radius with our observable universe occupying only a small, locally very nearly flat, portion of this sphere.

3. What do we think the singularity was "Made out of"? Dark matter/Energy, strings, energy, etc.
Most think the singularity simply disappears when a more complete theory of gravity is implemented.
 
Naty1 said:
Great explanations here:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004PASA...21...97D

Expanding Confusion: Common Misconceptions of Cosmological Horizons and the Superluminal Expansion of the Universe

Davis, Tamara M.; Lineweaver, Charles H.

Good article that gives physical feel to what is going on.
 

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