Light reflecting off sphere -- Momentum transfer

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The discussion revolves around the momentum transfer of light reflecting off a sphere of radius R. The original poster presents a calculation attempting to determine the momentum transferred upon reflection, comparing it to a disc of the same radius.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of momentum transfer and question the equivalence of results for a sphere versus a disc. Some express uncertainty about the lecturer's assertion that both shapes yield the same result.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations presented, with some participants agreeing with the original poster's approach while others raise questions about the assumptions and interpretations involved. A potential alternative reasoning involving the geometry of the sphere is also introduced.

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Participants note that the treatment of light reflection may differ based on the geometry of the object, and there is mention of the lecturer's perspective on absorption equivalence for both shapes. The discussion includes considerations of integration and the implications of light reflection angles.

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Homework Statement


Suppose light of momentum -P\hat{\textbf{k}} is shone on a sphere of radius R. What is the momentum transferred onto the sphere?

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I think the transferred momentum upon reflection is given by (-2P\hat{\textbf{k}} \cdot \hat{\textbf{r}} ) \hat{\textbf{r}} where \hat{\textbf{r}} is the unit vector perpendicular to the sphere surface. The component of the area parallel to the light is d\textbf{a} \cdot \hat{\textbf{k}} = R^2 \sin \theta \cos \theta d \phi d \theta. Thus integrating over one hemisphere $$ \int -2P \cos^2 \theta \sin \theta \ d \phi \ d \theta \ \hat{\textbf{r}}$$

Only the component of \hat{\textrm{k}} remains and so this becomes $$ \int -2P \cos^3 \theta \sin \theta \ d \phi \ d \theta \ \hat{\textbf{k}} = 4 \pi R^2 P \hat{\textbf{k}} \left [ \frac{\cos^4 \theta}{4} \right ]_{0}^{\pi/2} = -\pi R^2 P \hat{\textbf{k}}$$

which is half the result of the reflection of a disc of radius R. I've told that it should be the same answer for both shapes, but this does not make sense to me. Where have I gone wrong?
 
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Dazed&Confused said:

Homework Statement


Suppose light of momentum -P\hat{\textbf{k}} is shone on a sphere of radius R. What is the momentum transferred onto the sphere?

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I think the transferred momentum upon reflection is given by (-2P\hat{\textbf{k}} \cdot \hat{\textbf{r}} ) \hat{\textbf{r}} where \hat{\textbf{r}} is the unit vector perpendicular to the sphere surface. The component of the area parallel to the light is d\textbf{a} \cdot \hat{\textbf{k}} = R^2 \sin \theta \cos \theta d \phi d \theta. Thus integrating over one hemisphere $$ \int -2P \cos^2 \theta \sin \theta \ d \phi \ d \theta \ \hat{\textbf{r}}$$

Only the component of \hat{\textrm{k}} remains and so this becomes $$ \int -2P \cos^3 \theta \sin \theta \ d \phi \ d \theta \ \hat{\textbf{k}} = 4 \pi R^2 P \hat{\textbf{k}} \left [ \frac{\cos^4 \theta}{4} \right ]_{0}^{\pi/2} = -\pi R^2 P \hat{\textbf{k}}$$

which is half the result of the reflection of a disc of radius R. I've told that it should be the same answer for both shapes, but this does not make sense to me. Where have I gone wrong?
Why would it be the same for both shapes?
 
I personally do not think it would be, but that's what my lecturer has said. I'm asking here if the calculation I've done makes sense.
 
For absorption the answer is the same for both shapes as all that matters is the cross section.
 
Unless all the light reflects vertically backwards, then it can't be the same.

I can't quite check your integration in my head. It looks okay. I can check when I get back to my desk, if no one else has by then.
 
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I agree with your answer.
 
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Thanks for looking at this.
 
There's a cute shortcut.
Slicing the sphere into thin equal width sections perpendicular to the incident light, each section has the same surface area (Archimedes) so gets the same light. At a latitude of 45 degrees, the light reflects perpendicularly to its original direction, giving the same force as for the absorption case. At two latitudes equally either side of that, i.e. 45+/-theta, you can average out the reflections to get the same. Hence for the hemisphere it is equivalent to absorption.
Well, maybe not that short, but it avoids the hazards of integration.
 
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