Lightning compared to piezo electric element

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This discussion focuses on building and debugging a lightning detector that utilizes a piezoelectric element from an electric lighter, generating sparks of approximately 20 to 25 kV. The user seeks to estimate the distance at which an average lightning bolt would need to be to produce equivalent energy in the antenna. Key insights include the importance of understanding electromagnetic pulses rather than charges, and the necessity of using a wideband detector with a peak sensing circuit for accurate measurements.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electromagnetic pulses and their characteristics
  • Familiarity with piezoelectric elements and their voltage output
  • Knowledge of antenna theory and energy reception
  • Experience with calibration techniques for electronic measurement devices
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  • Research the principles of electromagnetic pulse generation and detection
  • Learn about the calibration of wideband detectors and peak sensing circuits
  • Explore the use of log amplifiers for measuring a wide range of signal values
  • Investigate the geometric considerations affecting electric field strength in antennas
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Electronics hobbyists, engineers working on lightning detection systems, and researchers interested in electromagnetic pulse measurement techniques.

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I'm building (or rather, debugging) a lightning detector that detects the electromagnetic charge emitted by a lightning bolt.

I need a good way to generate a little lightning as a test signal and I'm currently using a the piezo electric part of an electric lighter which generates a small spark.

The piezo electric element generates about 20 to 25 kV and produces a spark that is about 3 mm long. If I hold it two meters from my antenna, at what distance does an average lightning bolt need to be to produce the same amount of energy in my antenna?

Of course a lot of estimations and averages will need to be used, but roughly?
 
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You need to sort out your terms of reference, I think. A lightning strike 'emits' an EM pulse and not a "charge". You can save yourself a lot of time and effort by learning more basics before launching out on haphazard measurements, imo.
 
Pulse is probably the word yes.

I know it is a difficult question to answer but someone might know how to make such an estimation, I hope.
 
The relationship will be proportional, assuming the air becomes conductive at the same electric field strength. This is about 3 million V/m, or 30,000 V/mm. Your 20-25kV was probably able to generate a current over a larger 3 mm due to geometric considerations (the field is concentrated near sharp edges of a conductor).

To find the voltage for 2m, just multiply 25[kV] by 2[m]/3[mm]
 
Calibration can be difficult but what you need is a wideband detector with a peak sensing circuit. Something along the lines of a peak programme audio circuit. Having calibrated it with low level signals, you just put a large attenuator at its input to measure high levels.
[Edit: a log amp would be useful for showing a wide range of signal values (dB scale).]
 
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