Lim (sinx-cosx)/(pi-4x) where x->pi/4

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (sinx - cosx) / (pi - 4x) as x approaches pi/4, with a specific request to avoid using L'Hospital's rule.

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  • Participants explore various methods to evaluate the limit, including rewriting the numerator in a specific form, using trigonometric identities, and considering Taylor series expansions. Some participants express a desire for hints rather than complete solutions.

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Several participants have offered different approaches and insights, with some expressing gratitude for the suggestions. There is an ongoing exploration of methods, but no consensus on a single approach has been reached.

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Participants have noted the constraint of not using L'Hospital's rule and have discussed various substitutions and transformations to address the limit problem.

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lim (sinx-cosx)/(pi-4x) where x-->pi/4

Hi! Could someone help me to solve this problem without using L'Hospital rule? Any hint would be splendid...

lim (sinx-cosx)/(pi-4x)
x-->pi/4

Thanks in advance!
 
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L'Hopital's rule?
 


Sorry, but without L'Hospital. I forgot to mention...With L'Hospital is easy to solve and it gives
=-sqrt(2)/4
 


danculax said:
Sorry, but without L'Hospital. I forgot to mention...With L'Hospital is easy to solve and it gives
=-sqrt(2)/4

Try rewriting sin(x)-cos(x) in the form Rsin(x-A)
 


You could multiply by (cosx + sinx)/(cosx + sinx) and use the identity cos2x -sin2x = cos2x. Then let u = 2x, use the identity sin([itex]\pi[/itex]/2 - x) = cosx, rewrite it some more, and use the common trig limit sinx/x. Don't forget to change the limits with each substitution.
 


Bohrok said:
You could multiply by (cosx + sinx)/(cosx + sinx) and use the identity cos2x -sin2x = cos2x. Then let u = 2x, use the identity sin([itex]\pi[/itex]/2 - x) = cosx, rewrite it some more, and use the common trig limit sinx/x. Don't forget to change the limits with each substitution.

Wow! Thank you for this great tip! I tried a similar method but I had problems to find a good substitution. u=2x really works and the problem is solved! Thanks again!
 


rock.freak667 said:
Try rewriting sin(x)-cos(x) in the form Rsin(x-A)

Now I have two solutions for my limit problem. I figured out how to transform sin(x)-cos(x) into Rsin(x-A) form:

R=Sqrt(2)
A=pi/4

sinx-cosx=Sqrt(2)*sin(x-pi/4)

Thank you for your help!
 


L'Hopital's rule is simple. It says that if the limit of a quotient takes on an indeterminate form, such as 0/0 then the limit is equivalent to the derivative of the numerator divided by the derivative of the denominator.

sinx-cosx / pi -4x

set the same limit to

cosx+sinx / -4
 


Alternatively, you could expand [itex]\sin(x)[/itex] and [itex]\sin(x)[/itex] in a Taylor's Series about [itex]x = \pi/4[/itex]. The numerator subtraction will eliminate even power terms and the denomiator will cancel one power of [itex](x-\pi/4)[/itex] term. The result will have a leading constant term which is your limit as [itex]x\rightarrow \pi/4[/itex].
 
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Hmm, I'm not familiar with expanding in a Taylor's Series.
 

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