Limit Of A Function From Definition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the limit of a function, specifically that the limit of f(x) as x approaches 2 equals 3, where f(x) is defined as 2x - 1. Participants explore the formal definition of limits, including the epsilon-delta approach, and seek clarification on how to apply these concepts correctly.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to find epsilon and delta to prove the limit, expressing uncertainty about the next steps after establishing the inequalities |2x-4| ≤ ε and 0 ≤ |x-2| ≤ δ.
  • Another participant points out that |2x-4| can be rewritten as 2|x-2| and questions whether this can be made arbitrarily small by choosing an appropriate delta.
  • It is suggested that delta should be expressed as a function of epsilon, indicating a need to relate |f(x)-l| to |x-a|.
  • A participant proposes that since |f(x)-l| = 2|x-2|, taking 2δ ≤ ε/2 would satisfy the limit condition, although there is some confusion about the correct formulation.
  • One participant confirms the approach and clarifies that the correct interpretation involves ensuring δ ≤ ε/2.
  • A later reply acknowledges the proof's validity while noting it appears slightly informal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to proving the limit using the epsilon-delta definition, but there are minor discrepancies in the formulation and clarity of the proof steps. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the presentation of the proof.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the precise definitions and conditions required for the limit proof, particularly regarding the inequalities and the relationship between epsilon and delta.

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I have to prove from the definition of the limit of a function that the limit of f(x) as x tends to 2 equlas 3, given that;

f(x)=(2x-1)

I know that I have to find an epsilon such that |f(x)-l| [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\epsilon[/tex] and delta such that 0 [tex]\leq[/tex] |x-a| [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]

Nowing putting in the conditions for this f(x);

|2x-4| [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\epsilon[/tex] and 0 [tex]\leq[/tex] |x-2| [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]

But I don't where to go from here. Any help would be great!
 
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Well, you have:

|2x-4|=2|x-2|

Can this be made arbitrarily small (i.e, below some fixed "epsilon"), as long as we pick a small enough "delta"?

In particular, IF we want [itex]2|x-2|\leq\epsilon[/itex], what is the largest value we can pick for "delta" in order to ENSURE the validity of the above inequality?
 
Often, we need to find [tex]\delta = \delta(\epsilon)[/tex] as a function of the [tex]\epsilon[/tex] we were given.
That is, write [tex]|f(x)-l|[/tex] as a function [tex]|x-a|[/tex] and use your delta to show that it is less than epsilon
 
So I know that |f(x)-l|=2|(x-2)|=2|x-a|

Would it then be right to say that since

|x-a|=|x-2| [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]

then |f(x)-l|=2|x-2| [tex]\leq[/tex] 2[tex]\delta[/tex]

hence taking 2[tex]\delta[/tex] [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\frac{\epsilon}{2}[/tex] would satisfy the problem??
 
Juggler123 said:
So I know that |f(x)-l|=2|(x-2)|=2|x-a|

Would it then be right to say that since

|x-a|=|x-2| [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]

then |f(x)-l|=2|x-2| [tex]\leq[/tex] 2[tex]\delta[/tex]

hence taking 2[tex]\delta[/tex] [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\frac{\epsilon}{2}[/tex] would satisfy the problem??

EXACTLY! :smile:

(you meant, I think delta<=epsilon/2, I think..)
 
Yeah that is what I meant! Woops. So is the following proof correct then;

Definition of the Limit of a Function at a Point.
Suppose that f(x) is defined on (a-R,a)U(a,a+R), for some R [tex]\succ[/tex] 0. Then f(x) tends to l as x tends to a if, given any [tex]\epsilon[/tex] in R[tex]^{+}[/tex] , there exists [tex]\delta[/tex] in R[tex]^{+}[/tex] such that,

|f(x)-l| [tex]\prec[/tex] [tex]\epsilon[/tex] whenever 0 [tex]\prec[/tex] |x-a| [tex]\prec[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]

Now in this case f(x)=2x-1, l=3 and a=2

Hence |2x-4| [tex]\prec[/tex] [tex]\epsilon[/tex]

Now 2|x-2| [tex]\prec[/tex] [tex]\epsilon[/tex] = |x-a|[tex]\prec[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]

Hence taking [tex]\delta[/tex] [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\frac{\epsilon}{2}[/tex]

Then |f(x)-l| [tex]\prec[/tex] [tex]\epsilon[/tex] whenever 0 [tex]\prec[/tex] |x-a| [tex]\prec[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]

As required
 
Slightly scruffy-looking proof, but okay nonetheless! :smile:
 
Thanks for the help!
 

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