Limit of a rational function with a constant c

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The discussion revolves around the limit of a rational function involving a variable transformation from \(x\) to \(t\), specifically examining the behavior as \(x\) approaches zero and its implications for \(t\). The subject area includes limits and rational functions in calculus.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the limits of \(x\) and \(t\), questioning the equivalence of their approaches to zero and one, respectively. There are attempts to clarify the transformation and its implications for the limit, along with discussions about the correct interpretation of mathematical notation.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's reasoning and notation, prompting further clarification and exploration of the concepts involved. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made regarding the transformation between \(x\) and \(t\).

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Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the distribution of roots in expressions and the meaning of proportionality in mathematical notation. These points highlight areas where assumptions may need to be reconsidered.

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Did they get ## x## approaches one is equivalent to ##t## approaches zero because ##t ∝ (x)^{1/3} + 1##?

Many thanks!
 
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" Notice that x ##\rightarrow##0 is equivalent to t ##\rightarrow## 1 ", it says. The given formula becomes
\lim_{t \rightarrow 1} \frac{c(t-1)}{t^3-1}
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
" Notice that x ##\rightarrow##0 is equivalent to t ##\rightarrow## 1 ", it says. The given formula becomes
\lim_{t \rightarrow 1} \frac{c(t-1)}{t^3-1}
Thank you for your reply @anuttarasammyak !

Sorry, I have updated the question after I realized my mistake. Is my reasoning correct though?

Many thanks!
 
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}t=\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \sqrt[3]{1+cx}=1
\lim_{t\rightarrow 1}x=\lim_{t\rightarrow 1}\frac{t^3-1}{c}=0
 
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Callumnc1 said:
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Did they get ## x## approaches one is equivalent to ##t## approaches zero because ##t ∝ (x)^{1/3} + 1##?

Many thanks!
I would say it's more like:

As ##x\to 0##, it's clear that ##\displaystyle \root 3 \of{1+cx \,} \to 1##, so ##t\to 1## .
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}t=\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \sqrt[3]{1+cx}=1
\lim_{t\rightarrow 1}x=\lim_{t\rightarrow 1}\frac{t^3-1}{c}=0
Thank you for your reply @anuttarasammyak !
 
SammyS said:
I would say it's more like:

As ##x\to 0##, it's clear that ##\root 3 \of{1+cx \,} \to 1##, so ##t\to 1## .
Thank you @SammyS , I see now!
 
Callumnc1 said:
Is my reasoning correct though?
It looks like you're thinking ##\sqrt[3]{1+cx} = \sqrt[3]{1} + \sqrt[3]{cx}##. That's clearly wrong. You can't distribute the root across the addition.

Also, as far as notation goes, ##\propto## means "proportional to", so saying that ##t \propto 1 + x^{1/3}## means that ##t = k(1+x^{1/3})## for some constant ##k##, which you probably didn't mean.
 
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vela said:
It looks like you're thinking ##\sqrt[3]{1+cx} = \sqrt[3]{1} + \sqrt[3]{cx}##. That's clearly wrong. You can't distribute the root across the addition.

Also, as far as notation goes, ##\propto## means "proportional to", so saying that ##t \propto 1 + x^{1/3}## means that ##t = k(1+x^{1/3})## for some constant ##k##, which you probably didn't mean.
Thank you for your reply @vela!

That is good you mentioned the notation, I didn't realize I could not do that!
 

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