Limit problem with exponents/logarithms

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression $\lim \frac{e^{x\ln(3+x)}}{e^{x\ln x}}$ as $x$ approaches infinity. Participants explore various approaches to derive the limit and clarify their reasoning, with a focus on the use of logarithms and exponential functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • GreenGoblin presents the limit problem and claims the answer is $e^{3}$ but seeks clarification on how to arrive at that conclusion.
  • Another participant points out that the third line of GreenGoblin's work is the starting point of the problem and expresses confusion about how $e^{3}$ is derived from it.
  • One participant references the limit $\lim_{x\to\infty}\left(1+\frac{1}{x}\right)^x=e$ but suggests that such standard results may not be applicable in this context.
  • A later reply provides a detailed derivation using logarithmic properties to show that $\lim_{x \to \infty} \left(1 + \frac{3}{x} \right)^{x}= e^{3}$, but does not resolve the earlier confusion about the steps leading to this conclusion.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of standard limit results and the clarity of the derivation process. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the limit problem, and confusion remains regarding the steps leading to the conclusion of $e^{3}$.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the problem originates from a set of exercises on L'Hospital's rule, which may influence their approaches. There are unresolved assumptions about the validity of certain mathematical techniques in this context.

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Hello,

I am tackling a problem which I have an answer for but I can't complete the work of showing where it's coming from. This is where I have arrived

$\lim \frac{e^{xln(3+x)}}{e^{xlnx}}$ for x goes to infinity. (Also, what's the code for this please? To show the lim with arrow?)

I have that the answer is $e^{3}$ but not how to get there. I've tried a lot of cancelling but not quite got there.

Gracias,
GreenGoblin
 
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GreenGoblin said:
Hello,

I am tackling a problem which I have an answer for but I can't complete the work of showing where it's coming from. This is where I have arrived

$\lim \frac{e^{xln(3+x)}}{e^{xlnx}}$ for x goes to infinity. (Also, what's the code for this please? To show the lim with arrow?)

I have that the answer is $e^{3}$ but not how to get there. I've tried a lot of cancelling but not quite got there.

Gracias,
GreenGoblin

$\displaystyle\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{e^{x\ln(3+x)}}{e^{x\ln x}}=\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{e^{\ln(3+x)^x}}{e^\ln x^x}$

$\displaystyle=\lim_{x\to\infty}\frac{(3+x)^x}{x^x}$

$\displaystyle=\lim_{x\to\infty}\left(1+\frac{3}{x}\right)^x$

$\displaystyle=\lim_{x/3\to\infty}\left[\left(1+\frac{3}{x}\right)^{x/3}\right]^3$

$\displaystyle=e^3$
 
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Hi,

Your third line is actually the start of the problem, I had arrived at what I wrote by rearranging from that. Are you telling me I was moving away from a solution? Now I just don't see at all where $e^{3}$ comes from as a solution from that.
 
GreenGoblin said:
Hi,

Your third line is actually the start of the problem, I had arrived at what I wrote by rearranging from that. Are you telling me I was moving away from a solution? Now I just don't see at all where $e^{3}$ comes from as a solution from that.

Do you know that $\displaystyle\lim_{x\to\infty}\left(1+\frac{1}{x}\right)^x=e$?
 
Yes but I don't think such standard results are allowed to be used in this case. This problem comes from a set of exercises on L'Hospital's rule, hence why I looked to get in a fraction form (even if it is not applicable to use this rule here).
 
$ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to \infty} \left(1 + \frac{3}{x} \right)^{x} $

let $ \displaystyle y = \ln \left(1 + \frac{3}{x} \right)^{x} = x \ln \left(1 + \frac{3}{x} \right) = \frac{\ln \left(1 + \frac{3}{x} \right)}{\frac{1}{x}} $

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to \infty} y = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{\ln \left(1 + \frac{3}{x} \right)}{\frac{1}{x}} = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{\frac{1}{1+\frac{3}{x}} \left(\frac{-3}{x^{2}}\right)}{-\frac{1}{x^{2}}} = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{3}{1+\frac{3}{x}} =3 $

therefore $\displaystyle \lim_{x \to \infty} \left(1 + \frac{3}{x} \right)^{x}= \lim_{x \to \infty} e^{y} = e^{\lim x \to \infty y} = e^{3}$
 

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