Limits and infinite oscillations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of limits in calculus, specifically focusing on the behavior of the function sin(1/x) as x approaches 0. Participants explore the idea of infinite oscillations and the implications for the existence of limits, with references to the oscillatory nature of the sine function.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Luca expresses confusion about why the limit of sin(1/x) does not exist as x approaches 0, noting the concept of infinite oscillation.
  • One participant prompts Luca to consider the behavior of sin(x) as x approaches infinity, questioning whether it settles on a particular value.
  • Luca acknowledges the oscillatory nature of the sine graph, oscillating between -1 and 1, and seeks clarification on how this relates to infinite oscillations as x approaches infinity.
  • Another participant confirms that as x approaches infinity, sin(x) continues to oscillate between -1 and 1 without settling on a single value.
  • A later reply corrects a previous statement about the oscillation range, clarifying that sin(x) oscillates between -1 and 1, not 0 and 1.
  • One participant presents a mathematical argument involving sequences converging to 0, illustrating that different sequences yield different limits for sin(1/x), thereby supporting the claim that the limit does not exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the oscillatory nature of the sine function and its implications for limits, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific understanding of infinite oscillations and their impact on the limit of sin(1/x).

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various interpretations of oscillation and limit behavior, with some participants providing mathematical examples that highlight the complexity of the topic. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of limits and oscillations.

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Hello everyone,

I am having trouble understanding the concept of a limit not existing for functions like sin (1/x) when x tends to 0. The good book says that the function "does not settle on any value as we get closer to x" implying some infinite oscillation. I am having trouble visualizing it and why it should happen with this particular function.

Any kind soul here willing to elaborate on this and help me understand this better? I would be extremely grateful.

Many thanks,

Luca
 
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Think about sin(x) as x goes to infinity. Do you know what the graph of sin(x) looks like? Does it settle down to any particular value as x goes to infinity?
 
Hi there,

Thanks for the reply. The sine graph is oscillating between -1 and 1 every with a period of 2 pi. How would this change into infinite oscillations for sin(x) as x approaches infinity...

Thanks,

Luca
 
Ok, I think I understand this better now as we approach infinity, the value will keep oscillating between -1 and 1 and there is no one value where the function will settle down to...fair enough :)

Thanks,

Luca
 
You said it yourself. It oscillates between 0 and 1. Just draw the graph of sin. As you go further and further in the positive direction of the x axis, does it settle down to some value? No, it keeps oscillating between 1 and 0.

EDIT: Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking. I meant to say oscillating between 1 and -1.
 
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Another way to look at it:

sin(n\pi)= 0 for all n. Let x_n= 1/(n\pi). Then as n goes to infinity, x_n goes to 0 and sin(1/x_n)= 0 for all n.

But sin(2n\pi+ \pi/2)= 1 for all n. Let x_n= 1/(2n\pi+ \pi/2). Then as n goes to infinity, x_n goes to sin(1/x_n)= 1 for all n.

If \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} sin(1/x) existed, the limit of sin(x_n) would have to be that value for any sequence x_n converging to 0. Since the two sequences above have different limits, the limit of the function cannot exist.
 

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