Linear combination of random variables

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The discussion focuses on the linear combination of random variables, specifically the total weight of 25 individuals and its expected value and variance. The expected weight is calculated as 1900 kg, with a standard deviation of 80 kg, confirming that the total weight follows a normal distribution. A cost function based on weight is analyzed, revealing an expected cost of 304, though concerns are raised about the accuracy of this calculation given different cost scenarios. The conversation emphasizes the need to approach the problem from first principles, particularly regarding the variance of the cost. Misunderstandings about the cost structure and the interpretation of the problem are acknowledged, highlighting the complexities involved.
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Homework Statement
The weight of ##25## individuals trying to squeeze themselves into an elevator is normally distributed with a mean of ##76\,kg## and a standard deviation of ##16\,kg##. The elevator is designed to hold ##1950\,kg##.
a) Determine the mean and standard deviation of the total weight inside the elevator.
b) What's the probability that that weight exceeds the limit?
c) Knowing that the electricity costs ##0.1\,$## per ##kg## for the first ##10## persons, and ##0.2\,$## per ##kg## for any extra person, find the mean and the variance of the cost for this scenario.
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a) Total weight ##W=W_1+W_2+...+W_{25}##.$$E[W]=E[W_1]+E[W_2]+...+E[W_{25}]=25\times76=1900\,kg$$$$\sigma_W=\sqrt{V(W_1)+V(W_2)+...+V(W_{25})}=\sqrt{25\times(16)^2}=80\,kg$$
b) Since ##W## is a linear combination of normal distributions, the reproductive property tells us that ##W## is also normally distributed.$$P(W>1950)=P(Z>0.625)=1-P(Z<0.625)=0.26599$$
c) Cost ##C=0.1W_1+...+0.1W_{10}+0.2W_{11}+...+0.2W_{25}##.$$\begin{align*}E[C]&=0.1E[W_1]+...+0.1E[W_{10}]+0.2E[W_{11}]+...+0.2E[W_{25}]\\&=10\times0.1\times76+15\times0.2\times76\\&=304\,$\end{align*}$$$$\begin{align*}
V(C)&=(0.1)^2V(W_1)+...+(0.1)^2V(W_{10})+(0.2)^2V(W_{11})+...+(0.2)^2V(W_{25})\\
&=10\times(0.1)^2\times(16)^2+15\times(0.2)^2\times(16)^2\\
&=179.2\,$^2
\end{align*}$$
Correct, right? Thanks!
 
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Part (c) is done incorrectly I think. To give an extreme example to demonstrate the issue, suppose electricity cost nothing for the first 1900 kg and cost 20 cents per kilogram after. What would the expected cost of the electricity be?
In practice I think the number you computed for the e.v. is going to be very close to the true answer.
 
Office_Shredder said:
Part (c) is done incorrectly I think. To give an extreme example to demonstrate the issue, suppose electricity cost nothing for the first 1900 kg and cost 20 cents per kilogram after. What would the expected cost of the electricity be?
In practice I think the number you computed for the e.v. is going to be very close to the true answer.
Then we expect the cost to be zero since the expected mass in the elevator is 1900 kg. But isn't this a different scenario? They specified that the cost is per person.
I am sorry, I don't see the point.
 
Office_Shredder said:
Part (c) is done incorrectly I think. To give an extreme example to demonstrate the issue, suppose electricity cost nothing for the first 1900 kg and cost 20 cents per kilogram after. What would the expected cost of the electricity be?
In practice I think the number you computed for the e.v. is going to be very close to the true answer.
Well, it is not stated as so much per kg for the first so many kg; it is for the first so many persons. That's a bit of a problem because we could arrange to have the heaviest get in first!
But I agree that it needs to be approached from first principles: find ##E[C^2]## etc.
 
haruspex said:
Well, it is not stated as so much per kg for the first so many kg; it is for the first so many persons. That's a bit of a problem because we could arrange to have the heaviest get in first!
But I agree that it needs to be approached from first principles: find ##E[C^2]## etc.
What is the significance of the square? Why is it a first principle?
 
archaic said:
What is the significance of the square? Why is it a first principle?
It's part of the definition of variance: ##E[X^2]-E[X]^2##. Use that to find the variance of the cost.
 
haruspex said:
It's part of the definition of variance: ##E[X^2]-E[X]^2##. Use that to find the variance of the cost.
Oh, ok. I thought that you had some thing in mind that I didn't know like in the other post (minimizing the expression you wrote, and finding ##R^2##).
This is from the lecture slides:
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I forgot to mention it, but the ##W_i## are identical and independent, so the double sum is null. My bad..
 
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archaic said:
Oh, ok. I thought that you had some thing in mind that I didn't know like in the other post (minimizing the expression you wrote, and finding ##R^2##).
This is from the lecture slides:
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I forgot to mention it, but the ##W_i## are identical and independent, so the double sum is null. My bad..
Then it's fine.
 
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haruspex said:
Well, it is not stated as so much per kg for the first so many kg; it is for the first so many persons. That's a bit of a problem because we could arrange to have the heaviest get in first!
But I agree that it needs to be approached from first principles: find ##E[C^2]## etc.

Whoops! I just totally misread the question, sorry. I think my brain just said that doesn't make any sense and converted 10 people into 1000 kilograms.
 

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