Linear combination of sine and cosine function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the minimum values of expressions involving a linear combination of sine and cosine functions, specifically $6\sin x + 8\cos x + 5$ and its subsequent powers. The context includes trigonometric methods for solving the problem, as well as the implications of transformations on the minimum values.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the problem and seeks insight into how to approach finding the minimum values.
  • Another participant suggests a general principle that if a function $f(x)$ has a minimum $m$ at $x = x_0$, then transformations of $f(x)$ will affect the minimum in predictable ways.
  • A different participant challenges this principle by providing a counterexample involving the function $f(x) = \sin x$, indicating that the proposed minimum for the transformed function does not hold true in that case.
  • A later reply identifies a method to rewrite the original expression as $10\sin \left(x+\tan^{-1}\dfrac{4}{3}\right)+5$, leading to specific minimum values for the transformed functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the general principle regarding the transformation of minimum values, as one participant provides a counterexample that contradicts the claim made by another. The discussion includes both agreement on the method of rewriting the expression and disagreement on the implications of transformations on minimum values.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the behavior of transformed functions and the conditions under which certain minimum value principles apply. There are unresolved aspects regarding the generality of the claims made about function transformations.

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Students and individuals interested in trigonometric functions, mathematical reasoning, and problem-solving strategies in calculus may find this discussion beneficial.

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Hi MHB! I recently came across a problem and I was thinking most likely I was missing something very obvious because I couldn't make sense of what was being asked, and I so wish to know what exactly that I failed to relate.

Question:
Find the minimum of $6\sin x+8\cos x+5$. Hence, find the minimum of $(6\sin x+8\cos x)^2+5,\,(6\sin x+8\cos x)^3+5$ and $(6\sin x+8\cos x)^4+5$.

It is important to stress that students are expected to solve it via trigonometry route but not other methods.

I would feel the "hence" implies that the first part of the question greatly help to reach to the answers for the subsequent parts of the problem, but not that I could see it...therefore, any insight would be helpful and thanks in advanced for the help!
 
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If f(x) has minimum m at x= x0 then f(x)+ 5 has minimum m+ 5 at x0, f(x)^2+ 5 has minimum m^2+ 5 at x= x0, and, generally, f(x)^n+ 5 has minimum m^n+ 5 at x= x-x0.
 
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If f(x) has minimum m at x= x0 then[/color] f(x)+ 5 has minimum m+ 5 at x0, f(x)^2+ 5 has minimum m^2+ 5 at x= x0[/color], and, generally, f(x)^n+ 5 has minimum m^n+ 5 at x= x-x0.
That is not true. For example, the function $f(x) = \sin x$ has minimum $m = -1$ at $x_0 = \frac{3\pi}2$. But $f(x)^2 + 5$ does not have minimum $m^2+5 = 6$ at $x = x_0$. Instead, it has minimum $5$ at $x = 0$.
 
Argh!(Headbang) I couldn't believe how I overlooked something so trivially simple in order to deduce the minimum of the other functions! Once we rewrite $6\sin x+8\cos x+5=10\sin \left(x+\tan^{-1}\dfrac{4}{3}\right)+5$, we know the minimum can be attained at $-5$, and so the minimum values of

$(6\sin x+8\cos x)^2+5=\left(10\sin \left(x+\tan^{-1}\dfrac{4}{3}\right)\right)^2+5$ is $0+5=5$,

$(6\sin x+8\cos x)^3+5=\left(10\sin \left(x+\tan^{-1}\dfrac{4}{3}\right)\right)^3+5$ is $(-10)^3+5=-995$,

$(6\sin x+8\cos x)^4+5=\left(10\sin \left(x+\tan^{-1}\dfrac{4}{3}\right)\right)^4+5$ is $0+5=5$.

Sorry for asking something so simple!
 

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