Linear Equations (General and Standard forms: From Wikipedia)

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The discussion revolves around the general and standard forms of linear equations, specifically focusing on the derivation of the slope and the relationship between the two forms. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these forms, as well as the concept of slope in relation to changes in x and y.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the slope of a line is deduced to be -A/B from the general form of the equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the standard form appears contradictory to the general form due to the positioning of C and its sign.
  • A participant proposes that the slope is defined as the change in y when x increases by 1, leading to a discussion about changes in x by different amounts (p).
  • There is a clarification that if x changes by p, then the change in y would be p times the slope, which is debated among participants.
  • One participant references the Wikipedia definition of slope, leading to a discussion about the implications of this definition on the derived slope from the general form.
  • Another participant concludes that the slope derived from the general form is indeed -A/B, confirming the earlier calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the general and standard forms of linear equations, particularly regarding the interpretation of C and the definition of slope. While some calculations are agreed upon, the overall discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the forms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions and relationships discussed depend on the context of the equations and the assumptions made about the variables involved. There are unresolved aspects concerning the interpretation of changes in x and y.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_equation

General form:-

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It says (under the title General Form) "If B is nonzero, then the y-intercept, that is the y-coordinate of the point where the graph crosses the y-axis (where x is zero), is −C/B, and the slope of the line is −A/B."

How is the slope deduced to be -A/B?


Standard form:-

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Aren't this form contradictory to the first form?
I mean, both are the same, but here C is positive, and on the left side of the equation, while in the General Form, C is positive, and on the right side of the equation.
 
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jaja1990 said:
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_equation

General form:-

fe70eb55a73ac2c2797af797140ceda9.png


It says (under the title General Form) "If B is nonzero, then the y-intercept, that is the y-coordinate of the point where the graph crosses the y-axis (where x is zero), is −C/B, and the slope of the line is −A/B."

How is the slope deduced to be -A/B?Standard form:-

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Aren't this form contradictory to the first form?
I mean, both are the same, but here C is positive, and on the left side of the equation, while in the General Form, C is positive, and on the right side of the equation.

The slope of a line is the amount that y changes if x increases by 1.
If x increases by 1, Ax increases by A, so By has to decrease by A.
More specifically if y changes by -A/B, then By changes by -A.

The second form is a new equation in which the old A, B and C no longer apply.
It is more or less related to the first form, but as you already surmised the C in the second form would have to be minus the C of the first form, if A and B are the same.
 
But I thought the change doesn't have to be 1 in x? What if the change is p?
 
jaja1990 said:
But I thought the change doesn't have to be 1 in x? What if the change is p?

The slope of a line is defined to be the change in y if x changes by 1.

If x changes by p, then y will change by p times the slope.
 
From Wikipedia: "The slope of a line in the plane containing the x and y axes is generally represented by the letter m, and is defined as the change in the y coordinate divided by the corresponding change in the x coordinate, between two distinct points on the line. "

That's what I meant.

"The slope of a line is the amount that y changes if x increases by 1.
If x increases by 1, Ax increases by A, so By has to decrease by A."

So, if x increases by p, Ax increase by Ap, so By has to decrease by Ap. (So, y = Ap/B).

This means -Ap/B should be the slope in general for the equation Ax + By + C = 0. Or is my conclusion wrong?
 
As you say, the slope is the change in the y coordinate divided by the corresponding change in the x coordinate.

Since -Ap/B is the change in y if x changes by p, that means that the slope is -Ap/B divided by p, which is -A/B.
 
That's right.

Thank you :)
 
You're welcome. :smile:
 

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