Linear functional equivalence in vsp and subsp

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of extending a linear functional defined on a subspace W of a finite-dimensional vector space V to a linear functional on the entire space V. Participants explore various approaches and reasoning related to the basis extension principle and the properties of linear functionals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method of expressing elements of W as linear combinations of a basis for V but is unsure how to complete the argument.
  • Another participant suggests starting from W and extending to V, emphasizing the importance of picking a basis for W instead of V.
  • A third participant notes that there are infinitely many ways to define a linear functional g on V that agrees with f on W, given a basis for W.
  • Further contributions discuss the necessity of proving the existence of g by providing a specific example or construction, rather than making assertions about its existence.
  • One participant suggests defining g on a complementary subspace to W, while another questions the simplicity of defining g(w') to be zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to extend the functional and whether certain assertions can be made without proof. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the basis extension principle, but there is uncertainty about how to apply it effectively in this context. The discussion includes various assumptions about the properties of linear functionals and the structure of vector spaces.

JamesTheBond
Messages
17
Reaction score
0
I am writing a solution for the following problem, I hope someone can correct it, because I am not sure what I am missing.

Q. V is a finite dim. vsp over K, and W is a subspace of V. Let f be a linear functional on W. Show that there exists a linear functional g on V s. t. g(w)=f(w).

Ans. So far:
For all w in W, w = c_1*v_1 + c_2*v_2 + ... + c_n*v_n (where v_i for all i is the basis of V and c_i for all i are scalars part of K).

f(p*w1 + q*w1) = p*f(w1) + q*f(w2)

But since w for any w can be represented by a linear comnbination of the basis for V, there exists g, s.t.

f(w) = c_1*g(v_1)+c_2*g(v_2)+...

How can I complete this? Can I make the above assertion?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You're going from the wrong direction.

You need to start from W and extend to V. Picking a basis for V won't help you. Try picking a basis of W, then using the standard results.

You don't need to pick a basis explicitly either, if it helps. You can just think in terms of complementary subspaces.
 
Given any basis, BW, for W, there exist a basis, BV for V that contains BW. There are an infinite number of ways to define g so that it reduces to f on W.
 
That is of course the basis extension principle (theorem?).

So here is my revised take on the Ans (please tell me if I am reasoning it):

Take some B_W = { w_1, w_2, w_3, ..., w_n}, n = dim W <= dim V

B_W \subset B_V for some Basis of V.

We know f(p*w1 + q*w2) = p*f(w1) + q*f(w2) over all w1, w2 \subset W.

But what about all the elements r of V not in W (for r \in V and \notin W? Those can be anything we want. Therefore there exists linear functional g on V s.t. when restricted to W, g(w) = f(w).

Is this complete?
 
No. Saying 'they can be anything we want' doesn't prove anything at all. How do you know that there is a choice of g that makes it linear? Prove there is by writing down such a choice (by picking a basis of V if necessary). You were told, and understood the basis extension principle, so why didn't you use it?

Forget about w1, w2 in W. You have nothing to prove for them, since f is already a linear functional on W. Just give me one example of a linear functional on V that agrees with f on W. Just one. One of the simplest ones, for instance.
 
Ok here is one:

If there exists linear functional g on V such that g(\{ w_1, w_2, w_3,..., w_n, v_n_+_1, v_n_+_2, ... , v_r \}) = k_1*w_1 + k_2*w_2 + ... + k_r*v_r where r = dim V and for i=1 to r, k_i, w_i, v_i \in K field


This g is I think called a linear form and when it is restricted to W, g(w) = f(w)
 
Last edited:
Why is that equal to f? (Since you've not specifed what f is this is not an answer.) I see what you're getting at, but that doesn't mean that you get the benefit of the doubt. Here is the answer as I would write it:

Pick any W' complementary to W. Any element v has a unique representation v=w+w' with w in W and w' in W'. Define g(w+w')=f(w).

You should think if you understand it, and try to write out the basis dependent version.
 
Is it possible to just define g(w') to be 0? It seems too simple.
 
Why? Look at your attempt. It's what you were attempting to do.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
2K
Replies
22
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K