Linear independent and combination

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The discussion focuses on determining the linear independence of the vectors u, v, and w, as well as the conditions under which the vector b can be expressed as a linear combination of these vectors. It is established that the set {u, v, w} is linearly independent for values of r such that r ≠ ±1/2. Additionally, the vector b can be expressed as a linear combination of u, v, and w under similar conditions, with specific coefficients derived from the equations. The discussion also addresses scenarios where b can be represented in multiple ways, indicating the presence of free parameters in the solution.

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Homework Statement


let r be an element of R
... 1.... 1 ......r^2.....3 + 2r
u =( 1 )...v = ( 4 )...w = (1 )...b = ( 5 + 12r)
...0.....1......r^2 ...... 2r


(sorry don't know how to type matrices)

1. For which values of r is the set {u, v, w} linearly independent?

2. For which values of r is the vector b a linear combination of u. v, w?

3. For which of these values of r can b be written as a linear combination of u, v and w in more than one way

Homework Equations



(the matrices)

The Attempt at a Solution



So for 1, I reduced the matrix ( u v w ) to become something like this:

_1_1_r^2
(_1_4_1)
0_1_r^2

__1_1_r^2
→ (0_1_r^2)
__0_0_1-4r^2


so for it to be linearly independent 1 - 4r^2 =/= 0

so r =/= \pm 1/2

for part b)

We want something like:

c1(u) + c2(v) + c3(w) = b

I reduced everything and got:


c1 = 3
c2 = 2r - r^2 (2/(1 - 2r))
c3 = \frac{2(1 + 2r)}{(1 + 2r)(1 - 2r)}

Is it alright to say that for it to be a linear comb. r can't = \pm1/2? (Is it correct that I didn't cancel out the 1 + 2r ?)

and I don't really get part C
 
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vcb003104 said:

Homework Statement


let r be an element of R
... 1.... 1 ......r^2.....3 + 2r
u =( 1 )...v = ( 4 )...w = (1 )...b = ( 5 + 12r)
...0.....1......r^2 ...... 2r
Using the "tex" and "/tex" tags (in "[" and "]")
"u= \ begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 0 \ end{pmatrix} v= \ begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 4 \\ 1 \ end{pmatrix} w= \ begin{pmatrix}r^2 \\ 1 \\ r^2\ end{pmatrix} b= \ begin{pmatrix}3+ 2r \\ 5+ 12r \\ 2r\ end{pmatrix}" (without the spaces) will give

u= \begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} v= \begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 4 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} w= \begin{pmatrix}r^2 \\ 1 \\ r^2\end{pmatrix} b= \begin{pmatrix}3+ 2r \\ 5+ 12r \\ 2r\end{pmatrix}


(sorry don't know how to type matrices)

1. For which values of r is the set {u, v, w} linearly independent?

2. For which values of r is the vector b a linear combination of u. v, w?

3. For which of these values of r can b be written as a linear combination of u, v and w in more than one way

Homework Equations



(the matrices)

The Attempt at a Solution



So for 1, I reduced the matrix ( u v w ) to become something like this:

_1_1_r^2
(_1_4_1)
0_1_r^2

__1_1_r^2
→ (0_1_r^2)
__0_0_1-4r^2


so for it to be linearly independent 1 - 4r^2 =/= 0

so r =/= \pm 1/2
The basic definition of "linear independent" says that four vectors u, v, w, and b, will be linearly independent if and only if the only way we can have pu+ qv+ sw+ tb= 0 is if p= q= s= t= 0. Here, for any numbers, p, q, s, and t
pu+ qv+ sw+ tb= \begin{pmatrix}p \\ p \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}+ \begin{pmatrix}q \\ 4q \\ q \end{pmatrix}+ \begin{pmatrix}sr^2 \\ s \\ sr^2\end{pmatrix}+ \begin{pmatrix}t(3+ 2r) \\ t(5+ 12r) \\ t(2r)\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}p+ q+ r^2+ 3t+ 2tr \\ p+ 4q+ s+ 5t+12rt \\ q+ sr^2+ 2tr\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}

so we have the equations p+ q+ sr^2+ 3t+ 2tr= 0, p+ 4q+ s+ 4t+ 12rt= 0, and q+ sr^2+ 2tr= 0 which we must solve for p, q, s, and t ("r" is just a parameter). Since there is no "p" in the last equation we can subtract the first equation from the second to eliminate p from those and have 3q+ s(1- r^2)+ t+ 10rt= 0 and q+ sr^2+ 2tr= 0. Multiply that last equation by 3 and subtract from the previous equation to eliminate q and we have s(1- 2r^2)+ t(1+ 8r)= 0. If either 1- 2r^2= 0 or 1+ 8r=0 that will be true without s and t being equal to 0 so those vectors will NOT be "linearly independent". For any other value of r, they will be which also answers (b).

for part b)

We want something like:

c1(u) + c2(v) + c3(w) = b

I reduced everything and got:


c1 = 3
c2 = 2r - r^2 (2/(1 - 2r))
c3 = \frac{2(1 + 2r)}{(1 + 2r)(1 - 2r)}

Is it alright to say that for it to be a linear comb. r can't = \pm1/2? (Is it correct that I didn't cancel out the 1 + 2r ?)

and I don't really get part C
"Writing b as a linear combination of u, v, and w" means writing
\begin{pmatrix}3+ 2r \\ 5+ 12r \\ 2r\end{pmatrix}= x\begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}+ y\begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 4 \\ 1 \end{bmatrix}+ z\begin{bmatrix}r^2 \\ 1 \\ r^2\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}x+ y+ zr^2 \\ x+ 4y+ z \\ y+ zr^2\end{bmatrix}
for some numbers x, y, and z.

That is the same as the equations 3+ 2r= x+ y+ zr^2, 5+ 12r= x+ 4y+ z, and 2r= y+ zr^2.

The question is "for what values of r do those equations have more than one solution for x, y and z?"
 
HallsofIvy said:
Using the "tex" and "/tex" tags (in "[" and "]")
"u= \ begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 0 \ end{pmatrix} v= \ begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 4 \\ 1 \ end{pmatrix} w= \ begin{pmatrix}r^2 \\ 1 \\ r^2\ end{pmatrix} b= \ begin{pmatrix}3+ 2r \\ 5+ 12r \\ 2r\ end{pmatrix}" (without the spaces) will give

u= \begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} v= \begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 4 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} w= \begin{pmatrix}r^2 \\ 1 \\ r^2\end{pmatrix} b= \begin{pmatrix}3+ 2r \\ 5+ 12r \\ 2r\end{pmatrix}
The basic definition of "linear independent" says that four vectors u, v, w, and b, will be linearly independent if and only if the only way we can have pu+ qv+ sw+ tb= 0 is if p= q= s= t= 0. Here, for any numbers, p, q, s, and t
pu+ qv+ sw+ tb= \begin{pmatrix}p \\ p \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}+ \begin{pmatrix}q \\ 4q \\ q \end{pmatrix}+ \begin{pmatrix}sr^2 \\ s \\ sr^2\end{pmatrix}+ \begin{pmatrix}t(3+ 2r) \\ t(5+ 12r) \\ t(2r)\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}p+ q+ r^2+ 3t+ 2tr \\ p+ 4q+ s+ 5t+12rt \\ q+ sr^2+ 2tr\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}

so we have the equations p+ q+ sr^2+ 3t+ 2tr= 0, p+ 4q+ s+ 4t+ 12rt= 0, and q+ sr^2+ 2tr= 0 which we must solve for p, q, s, and t ("r" is just a parameter). Since there is no "p" in the last equation we can subtract the first equation from the second to eliminate p from those and have 3q+ s(1- r^2)+ t+ 10rt= 0 and q+ sr^2+ 2tr= 0. Multiply that last equation by 3 and subtract from the previous equation to eliminate q and we have s(1- 2r^2)+ t(1+ 8r)= 0. If either 1- 2r^2= 0 or 1+ 8r=0 that will be true without s and t being equal to 0 so those vectors will NOT be "linearly independent". For any other value of r, they will be which also answers (b). "Writing b as a linear combination of u, v, and w" means writing
\begin{pmatrix}3+ 2r \\ 5+ 12r \\ 2r\end{pmatrix}= x\begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}+ y\begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 4 \\ 1 \end{bmatrix}+ z\begin{bmatrix}r^2 \\ 1 \\ r^2\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}x+ y+ zr^2 \\ x+ 4y+ z \\ y+ zr^2\end{bmatrix}
for some numbers x, y, and z.

That is the same as the equations 3+ 2r= x+ y+ zr^2, 5+ 12r= x+ 4y+ z, and 2r= y+ zr^2.

The question is "for what values of r do those equations have more than one solution for x, y and z?"

Hi there, but how do I find the ones that have more than one way of writing it?

Do I solve the matrices for 3+ 2r= x+ y+ zr^2, 5+ 12r= x+ 4y+ z, and 2r= y+ zr^2 and make it to have a free parameter so that there are infinite solutions?
 
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