Linear transformation (minor clarification)

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The discussion revolves around the linearity of a function defined piecewise as f(x,y) = x^2/y for y ≠ 0 and f(x,y) = 0 for y = 0. Participants are exploring whether this function satisfies the properties of linear transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to verify the linearity of the function by testing specific pairs of vectors (u, v) and evaluating f(u), f(v), and f(u+v). There are questions about the correctness of interpretations and calculations, particularly regarding the conditions under which the function is defined.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for further exploration, including trying different pairs of vectors to test the function's properties. There is an ongoing examination of the function's behavior under various conditions, but no consensus has been reached on its linearity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the case where y = 0 may not provide counterexamples for additivity, and there is a focus on ensuring that the function is tested across multiple scenarios to draw conclusions about its linearity.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I don't think I'm interpreting the question correctly. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction?

There are 2 conditions: if y =/=0 then f(x,y) = x^2/y and if y=0 then f(x,y) = 0

Let u =(1,1) and v = (1,1)

f(v) = f(1,1) = 1^2/1 = 1

f(u) = f(1,1) = 1

f(u) + f(v) = 2

f(u+v) = 2

testing for the second condition: if y=0 then f(x,y) = 0

let u = (1,0) v = (1,0)

f(u) = 0 since if y = 0, f(x,y) = 0

f(v) = 0

f(u) + f(v) = 0

f(u+v) = f(2,0) = 0
 
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negation said:

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The Attempt at a Solution



I don't think I'm interpreting the question correctly. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction?
I assume that the goal is to check whether ##f## is linear. So your approach is fine:
Let u =(1,1) and v = (1,1)

f(v) = f(1,1) = 1^2/1 = 1

f(u) = f(1,1) = 1

f(u) + f(v) = 2
OK so far.
f(u+v) = 2
No, ##u+v = (1,1) + (1,1) = (2,2)##. What do you get when you evaluate ##f## at this point?

[edit] Oops, I miscalculated. Yes, you get 2. So this shows that ##f(u+v) = f(u) + f(v)## for that particular choice of ##u## and ##v##. But to conclude linearity, you need to show that it is true for all choices of ##u## and ##v##.

Hint: try another choice of ##u## and ##v##.
 
jbunniii said:
I assume that the goal is to check whether ##f## is linear. So your approach is fine:

OK so far.

No, ##u+v = (1,1) + (1,1) = (2,2)##. What do you get when you evaluate ##f## at this point?

[edit] Oops, I miscalculated. Yes, you get 2. So this shows that ##f(u+v) = f(u) + f(v)## for that particular choice of ##u## and ##v##. But to conclude linearity, you need to show that it is true for all choices of ##u## and ##v##.

Hint: try another choice of ##u## and ##v##.

I presume we are referring to the first condition in the question where x^2/y ?

I tried a few values but they all preserve addition.
 
negation said:
I presume we are referring to the first condition in the question where x^2/y ?
Yes, the ##y=0## case is unlikely to provide a counterexample for additivity.

I tried a few values but they all preserve addition.
You should be able to find a simple counterexample using points of the form ##(a,1)## and ##(b,1)##
 
That "x^2" makes me suspicious! So I would try u= (2, 1) and v= (3, 1).

What are f(u) and f(v)? What is f(u)+ f(v)?

u+ v= (5, 2). What is f(u+ v)?
 
HallsofIvy said:
That "x^2" makes me suspicious! So I would try u= (2, 1) and v= (3, 1).

What are f(u) and f(v)? What is f(u)+ f(v)?

u+ v= (5, 2). What is f(u+ v)?

Halls!

Any reason as to why you chose those values for u and v? Are they just arbitrary?

f(u) = f(2,1) = 4 f(v) = f(3,1) = 9
f(u) + f(v) = 13

u + v = (5,1)

f(u+v) = 25
 
negation said:
Any reason as to why you chose those values for u and v? Are they just arbitrary?
Almost any choice of u and v will work, but the calculation of ##\frac{(u_1)^2}{u_2}+\frac{(v_1)^2}{v_2}## is easier when ##u_2=v_2##, and is especially easy when ##u_2=v_2=1##.
 
negation said:
Halls!

Any reason as to why you chose those values for u and v? Are they just arbitrary?

f(u) = f(2,1) = 4 f(v) = f(3,1) = 9
f(u) + f(v) = 13

u + v = (5,1)
You added ##(2,1)## to ##(3,1)## and got ##(5,1)##?
 

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