Linear Transformations (T o S?)

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The discussion revolves around linear transformations in the context of the problem involving two transformations, T and S, defined on R². The original poster is tasked with writing down the matrix of T, calculating the compositions T o S and S o T, and determining the image of a specific line under the transformation S o T.

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  • Participants explore the definitions and implications of the compositions T o S and S o T, with some attempting to clarify the notation and process involved in matrix multiplication for these transformations.

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There is ongoing clarification regarding the calculations of the matrices for T o S and S o T. Some participants have provided their computed matrices, while others are checking and correcting each other's work. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to understand the transformations and their compositions.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and calculations related to the transformations, indicating a need for careful consideration of the algebra involved in the problem. There are also indications of mistakes in calculations that are being addressed throughout the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Let T : R2 -> R2 be the linear transformation defined by the formula
T(x, y) = (2x + 3y,−x − y).

Let S : R2 -> R2 be the linear transformation whose matrix is
3 −1
2 4

i. Write down the matrix of T.
ii. Calculate the matrices of the linear transformations T o S and S o T, indicating which is which.
iii. Calculate the image of the line L whose equation is x + y = 2, under the transformation S o T.


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The Attempt at a Solution


i. I said
2 3
-1 -1

Then for the next parts I don't know how you get ToS or SoT?
 
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Can you tell us what the definition for ToS and SoT ?
 
Well I can't seem to find any definition, but if you had ToS(u), that would be equal to T(S(u)). Similarly SoT(u) would be S(T(u)) I assume.
 
Thats right! Now, you agree that action of T (or S) on any (x,y) can be written as

T(x,y) = \left[ \begin{array}{cc} 2 & 3 \\ -1 & -1 \end{array} \right] \left[\begin{array}{cc} x \\ y \end{array} \right]

One can write a similar action of S. Action of T on (x,y) gives another vector (x',y'). So SoT(x,y) would mean S(T(x,y)) = S(x',y') = (x'', y'').

Now can you write the matrix for SoT?
 
I got
12 10
-5 -3

I just multiplied T by S. I wasn't sure what to do since it's just ToS not ToS(x,y) or something like that.
 
Yes, that's ToS. I hope that's what you meant to calculate?
 
Oh well I thought I was getting SoT but I got confused apparently. I get it now. SoT is
7 4
0 -2
edit: made a mistake, I'll fix it in a second.
 
Kindly check the calculation. The answer is
7 10
0 2
 
Yeah sorry about that.
 
  • #10
For the last part I did
SoT(x,y) = \left[ \begin{array}{cc} 7 & 10 \\ 0 & 2 \end{array} \right] \left[\begin{array}{cc} x \\ y \end{array} \right]
and I got (7x+10y, 2y). I substituted that into x+y=2 and I got 7x + 12y = 2.
Is that right?
 
  • #11
No. See, after applying, you move to a new space (x',y'). Your equations give you

x' = 7x + 10y
y' = 2y

What you are required to do is to find the relation b/w x' and y' using that between x and y.
 
  • #12
x = (-2x' + y')/7
y = 3x' + y'

I substituted that into x+y=2 and I got
19x' + 8y' = 14

edit: made a mistake,..one sec
 
  • #13
x = (2x' - y')/14
y = y'/2

Sub'd in and got x' + 3y' = 14
 
  • #14
Please check your algebra - I got 2x'-3y' = 28
 
  • #15
OK. I keep making stupid mistakes. Thanks for all your help.
 

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