I Linearised gravity approach to Lense Thirring metric

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The discussion revolves around the complexities of applying linearized gravity to the Lense-Thirring metric, particularly when analyzing the four-velocity of a rotating mass shell. Participants express confusion over the integration of components involving the Green's function and multipole expansion, noting that certain terms vanish during integration due to symmetry. A key point raised is the necessity for the four-velocity to remain a unit vector, which complicates the calculations. The conversation also touches on alternative methods for solving the problem, including the use of complex variables to simplify the equations. Ultimately, the thread highlights the intricate relationship between gravitational effects and the mathematical frameworks used to describe them.
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Doing some revision and getting confused. It's under GR but may as well be under electromagnetism or calculus because that is where the problem is. Taking a shell of mass ##\rho = M\delta(r-R)/(4\pi R^2)## and four velocity corresponding to rotation about ##z## axis i.e. ##U = (1, -\omega y, \omega x, 0)##. Looking at the ##\bar{h}_{i0}## component, say, the Green's function solution if I remember right,
$$\bar{h}_{i0} = -4 \int \frac{T_{i0}(\mathbf{x}')}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} d^3 \mathbf{x}'$$And I can take a multipole expansion
$$\frac{1}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} = \frac{1}{r} + \frac{\mathbf{x} \cdot \mathbf{x}'}{r^3} + \dots$$
Start with ##i = x##, where ##U_x = \omega y##

$$\bar{h}_{x0} = -\frac{4M \omega}{r}\int \frac{\delta(r'-R)}{4\pi R^2} y' \ d^3 \mathbf{x}' - \frac{4M \omega}{r^3} \mathbf{x} \cdot \int \mathbf{x}' \frac{\delta(r'-R)}{4\pi R^2} y' \ d^3\mathbf{x}' + \dots$$
So look at the first term. With ##d^3 \mathbf{x}' = r'^2 \sin{\theta'} dr' d\theta' d\phi'## and putting also ##y' = r' \sin{\phi'}##, then the integral over ##\phi'## from ##0 \rightarrow 2\pi## is going to zero.

With the second term, look at the part$$\mathbf{I} = \int \mathbf{x}' \frac{\delta(r'-R)}{4\pi R^2} y' \ d^3\mathbf{x}'$$Then $$I_{x'} = \int x' y' \frac{\delta(r'-R)}{4\pi R^2} d^3 \mathbf{x}$$and ##x'y' = r'^2 \sin{\phi'} \cos{\phi'}## is also going to go to zero when integrated over ##\phi'##, same story for the other two components. What's the issue?
 
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ergospherical said:
four velocity corresponding to rotation about ##z## axis i.e. ##U = (1, -\omega y, \omega x, 0)##.
The ##t## component of 4-velocity can't be ##1## if any of the other components are nonzero; the 4-velocity has to be a unit vector.
 
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With the second term, look at the part$$\mathbf{I} = \int \mathbf{x}' \frac{\delta(r'-R)}{4\pi R^2} y' \ d^3\mathbf{x}'$$Then $$I_{x'} = \int x' y' \frac{\delta(r'-R)}{4\pi R^2} d^3 \mathbf{x}$$and ##x'y' = r'^2 \sin{\phi'} \cos{\phi'}## is also going to go to zero when integrated over ##\phi'##, same story for the other two components. What's the issue?
Typo: You should have ##x'y' = r'^2 \sin^2 \theta' \sin{\phi'} \cos{\phi'}##. But, still, the ##\phi'## integration for ##I_{x'}## will be zero .

But for ##I_y'##, you will deal with ##y'y' = r'^2 \sin^2 \theta' \sin ^2 {\phi'} ##. Integrating over ##\phi'## will no longer give zero.
 
Thanks for spotting the error. I get ##I_y = R^2/3## which gives $$h_{x0} = \bar{h}_{x0} = -\frac{4}{3} \frac{MR^2 \omega y}{r^3}$$and I think this makes sense as the result because if ##L \sim MR^2 \omega## then I remember roughly that the vector potential should go like ##\mathbf{L} \times \mathbf{x}/r^3##. You'd also get $$h_{y0}=\bar{h}_{y0} = \frac{4}{3} \frac{MR^2 \omega x}{r^3}$$Also, close to the shell, ##r \sim R##, the size of the perturbation looks like ##\sim (4/3) \phi \omega x^i## with ##\phi = GM/R##. But taking ##r \rightarrow 0## you get divergence of the metric, which can't be right, although I'd still have expected it to be weak field there?
 
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Doing some revision and getting confused. It's under GR but may as well be under electromagnetism or calculus because that is where the problem is. Taking a shell of mass ##\rho = M\delta(r-R)/(4\pi R^2)## and four velocity corresponding to rotation about ##z## axis i.e. ##U = (1, -\omega y, \omega x, 0)##. Looking at the ##\bar{h}_{i0}## component, say, the Green's function solution if I remember right,
$$\bar{h}_{i0} = -4 \int \frac{T_{i0}(\mathbf{x}')}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} d^3 \mathbf{x}'$$And I can take a multipole expansion
$$\frac{1}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} = \frac{1}{r} + \frac{\mathbf{x} \cdot \mathbf{x}'}{r^3} + \dots$$
The form of the expansion depends on whether ##r > r'## or ##r < r'##. Grabbing my copy of Jackson's E&M text, I find $$\frac{1}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} = \sum_{l = 0}^{\infty} \frac{r_<^l}{r_>^{l+1}}P_l(\cos \gamma)$$ where ##r_< \, (r_>)## is the smaller (larger) of ##r## and ##r'##. ##P_l## are the Legendre polynomials and ##\gamma## is the angle between ##\mathbf{x}## and ##\mathbf{x}'##. Your expression for the expansion would be for ##r > r'## (corresponding to ##\mathbf{x}## being outside the shell).

There's also the need to justify dropping the higher-order terms in the expansion.

The integral $$\bar{h}_{i0} = -4 \int \frac{T_{i0}(\mathbf{x}')}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} d^3 \mathbf{x}'$$ can be done without a series expansion. With ##T_{i0} = \rho \;\boldsymbol{\omega} \times \mathbf{x}'##, the key part is the evaluation of $$\int \rho(r') \frac{\mathbf{x}'}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} d^3x'$$ Choose spherical coordinates with the z-axis along ##\mathbf{x}## (not along ##\boldsymbol{\omega}##). So, in this integration, ##\theta '## is the angle between ##\mathbf x'## and ##\mathbf x##.The angular part of the integration is $$ \mathbf{I} = \int \frac{\mathbf{x}'}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} d\Omega'= \int_0^\pi d\theta' \sin \theta' \int_0^{2 \pi} d \phi' \frac{\mathbf x'}{\sqrt{r^2-2rr'\cos\theta' + r'^2}}$$ You can show that only the z-component survives the ##\phi'## integration. I get $$I_z = \frac {4 \pi} 3 \frac {r'^2}{r^2} \,\,\,\, \text{for } r > r'$$ $$I_z = \frac {4 \pi} 3 \frac {r}{r'} \,\,\,\, \text{for } r < r'$$
 
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TSny said:
I get $$I_z = \frac {4 \pi} 3 \frac {r'^2}{r^2} \,\,\,\, \text{for } r > r'$$ $$I_z = \frac {4 \pi} 3 \frac {r}{r'} \,\,\,\, \text{for } r < r'$$
This result shows that the integral ## \mathbf{I} = \int \dfrac{\mathbf{x}'}{|\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}'|} d\Omega'## has a direction along the z-axis that was chosen to compute the integral. This z-axis was chosen along ##\mathbf{x}##. So, ##\mathbf{I}## is along ##\mathbf{x}##. The result for ##\mathbf{I}## can be written $$\mathbf{I} = \frac {4 \pi r'^2} {3 r^2} \hat {\mathbf{x}}\,\,\,\, \text{for } r > r'$$ $$\mathbf{I}= \frac {4 \pi r} {3 r'} \hat {\mathbf{x}}\,\,\,\, \text{for } r < r'$$
 
@TSny I've come across quite a cool way to solve this. Maybe you've see it before... it's based on defining a complex variable ##H = h_{01} + ih_{02}##. (If we're only looking at the contribution sourced by ##T_{0i}## then ##\bar{h} = 0## and ##\bar{h}_{\mu \nu} = h_{\mu \nu}##, so we can just work with no bars...).

Instead of going via. the Greens function solution, just try to solve directly:$$\nabla^2 H = \nabla^2 (h_{01} + ih_{02}) = -16\pi(T_{01} + iT_{02})$$The nice thing is that ##T_{0k} = \rho u_0 u_k = -\rho (-\Omega y, \Omega x, 0)_k = -\rho \Omega R \sin{\theta} (-\sin{\phi}, \ cos{\phi}, 0)_k##
So we could define another complex variable ##T \equiv T_{01} + iT_{02}## which comes out as$$T = -i \frac{\Omega M}{4\pi R} \delta(r-R) \sin{\theta} e^{i \phi}$$and the equation to solve is ##\nabla^2 H = -16\pi T##. You can take a trial solution ##H = \mathcal{R}(r) \sin{\theta} e^{i\phi}##. And writing the Laplacian as ##\nabla^2 = \frac{1}{r^2} \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \left( r^2 \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \right) + \hat{L}##, with ##\hat{L}## the angular Laplacian, gives\begin{align*}
\frac{1}{r^2} \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \left(r^2 \frac{\partial \mathcal{R}}{\partial r}\right) \sin{\theta} e^{i\phi} + (\hat{L} \sin{\theta} e^{i\phi})\mathcal{R} &= i \frac{4\Omega M}{ R} \delta(r-R) \sin{\theta} e^{i \phi} \\
\frac{\partial}{\partial r} \left( r^2 \frac{\partial \mathcal{R}}{\partial r} \right) - 2r^2 \mathcal{R} &= i \frac{4\Omega M}{ R} \delta(r-R)
\end{align*}Given that ##\hat{L} \sin{\theta} e^{i\phi} = -2\sin{\theta} e^{i\phi}##.
You can then solve the homogeneous part in for ##r<R## and ##r>R## respectively, then join them together with continuity at ##r=R## and by integrating the jump condition between ##R-\epsilon## and ##R+\epsilon##. This gets the same result as the methods you described.
 
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