Linearized Gravity: Bimetric Theory of General Relativity?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between linearized gravity, which describes gravitational waves in general relativity, and the concept of bimetric theories of gravity. Participants explore whether linearized gravity can be considered a bimetric theory and discuss the implications of such a classification.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether linearized gravity, which involves adding the flat Minkowski metric to a perturbed metric, can be classified as a bimetric theory of gravity.
  • Others argue that linearized gravity expresses a single physical metric, g, rather than two distinct metrics, suggesting that the perturbation is simply a useful representation of the metric in a small perturbation regime.
  • There is a query about the benefits of bimetric theory compared to linearized gravity and the implications of adding another dimension to general relativity.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the concept of adding another dimension to general relativity and its relevance to linearized gravity.
  • One participant mentions that bimetric theories have been explored in the context of different speeds for electromagnetic radiation and gravitational waves, referencing a specific paper as an example.
  • Another participant seeks thoughts on the variable speed of gravity or light, indicating a desire for broader input on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether linearized gravity qualifies as a bimetric theory. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and implications of bimetric theories versus linearized gravity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the distinctions between linearized gravity and bimetric theories, as well as the implications of dimensionality in general relativity. There are unresolved questions regarding the benefits and interpretations of these theories.

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Is the linearized gravity that describes the gravitational waves of general relativity a bimetric theory of gravity? Your adding the flat spacetime metric of minkowski spacetime to the perturbed metric, usually denoted h, to arrive at g.
 
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dsaun777 said:
Is the linearized gravity that describes the gravitational waves of general relativity a bimetric theory of gravity?
No.

dsaun777 said:
Your adding the flat spacetime metric of minkowski spacetime to the perturbed metric, usually denoted h, to arrive at g.
No, you're expressing the metric g, to linear order, as a sum of the flat metric and the perturbation. That doesn't mean there are two metrics in the theory. It just means you're expressing the single metric in a useful form given that the perturbation is small.
 
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PeterDonis said:
No.No, you're expressing the metric g, to linear order, as a sum of the flat metric and the perturbation. That doesn't mean there are two metrics in the theory. It just means you're expressing the single metric in a useful form given that the perturbation is small.
How does this differ from bimetric theory? What's the benefit of a bimetric theory over just adding another dimension to General
Relativity?
 
dsaun777 said:
How does this differ from bimetric theory?
A bimetric theory says there are two different physical metrics. In linearized gravity there is only one physical metric, g.
 
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dsaun777 said:
What's the benefit of a bimetric theory over just adding another dimension to General
Relativity?
I'm not sure what you mean by "adding another dimension to General Relativity", since that has nothing to do with what linearized gravity does.

As for the benefits of bimetric theory, you would have to ask its proponents.
 
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PeterDonis said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "adding another dimension to General Relativity", since that has nothing to do with what linearized gravity does.

As for the benefits of bimetric theory, you would have to ask its proponents.
Are there any proponents of the theory here? I'm not suggesting linearized gravity does have any to do with higher dimensions.
 
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Are there any proponents of the theory here?
Not that I'm aware of. If you can give a specific reference to a paper that describes the bimetric theory of gravity you are interested in, you might have a better chance of getting the attention of someone who knows about it.
 
Bimetric theories have been used to explore the possibility of different speed for EM radiation and gravitational waves, i.e. as test theories. Here is an example:

https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0403060
 
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PeterDonis said:
Not that I'm aware of. If you can give a specific reference to a paper that describes the bimetric theory of gravity you are interested in, you might have a better chance of getting the attention of someone who knows about it.
No specific paper in general. I just wanted to have some people interject their thoughts on a variable a speed of gravity or speed of light.
 

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