Liquid Regions of Mantle May Underlie Plumes

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The discussion revolves around the nature of seismic ultralow-velocity zones in the Earth's mantle and their potential relationship to mantle plumes. Participants explore whether these zones could be liquid or partially molten, while also addressing the solid-state characteristics of the mantle.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that seismic ultralow-velocity zones may be liquid and could underlie rising mantle plumes.
  • Others argue that the mantle is solid, capable of transmitting shear waves, but deforms visco-plastically.
  • A participant mentions that the interpretation of the seismic data regarding the base of the Iceland plume is complex, suggesting it could be partially molten material or a solid with an iron-rich composition.
  • There is a concern about misconceptions regarding the mantle's state, with participants emphasizing that it is not entirely liquid.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the state of the mantle, with some asserting it is solid while others propose the possibility of liquid or partially molten regions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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Participants highlight the complexity of interpreting seismic data and the potential for different models to explain the observations, indicating that assumptions about the mantle's composition and behavior are critical to the discussion.

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A news article in Science magazine discusses seizmic ultralow-velocity zones (800 km across x 15 km tall).
Some people think the seizmic ultralow-velocity zones could be liquid.
They are thought to underlie rising mantle plumes.
 
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BillTre said:
A news article in Science magazine discusses seizmic ultralow-velocity zones (800 km across x 15 km tall).
Some people think the seizmic ultralow-velocity zones could be liquid.
They are thought to underlie rising mantle plumes.

hmmmm a couple of new thoughts :smile: But the overall idea as said has been known for some time

To release heat from the liquid outer core, the solid rock in Earth’s mantle moves in slow, convective swirls, like a churning pot of hot syrup.

interesting contradiction ... the mantle isn't really solid

ohhh BTW, its seismic, not seizmic :wink:Dave
 
The mantle is solid dave! Otherwise how would shear waves go through? It's not rigid, and deforms visco-plastically, but it is solid!
 
BTW, interesting topic and nice study... I will report back once I've had time to read the actual paper.

EDIT: added a brief report.

Ok so the seismology is very convincing. There is definitely something down there right at the base of the Iceland plume, and that something is definitely slow. Furthermore, the geometry of this feature is pretty well constrained to first order: it's a short and stout cylinder.

The interpretation becomes a bit muddier and the authors are a bit overconfident in suggesting it to be melt.
It could be partially molten material (imagine porous rock with a few % of melt -- don't make the common misconception of imagining it to be pure melt). Or it could be a pure solid with an iron-rich composition. Either model could explain the data equally well by making seismic waves travel slowly, and it is the author's tastes that lend them to side with the melt interpretation.
 
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billiards said:
The mantle is solid dave! Otherwise how would shear waves go through? It's not rigid, and deforms visco-plastically, but it is solid!

not solid as in the crust ... it is very pliable ... I WASNT inferring it was totally liquid ... am not that stupid
 
davenn said:
not solid as in the crust ... it is very pliable ... I WASNT inferring it was totally liquid ... am not that stupid

Dave I know you know and by no means was challenging your clearly very high intelligence! :smile:

I just wanted to make sure, for the record, that no one came away with the misunderstanding that the mantle was in any way not a solid. It's a common misconception. I remember, I was taught in a high-school text book that the mantle was liquid and that's why you got molten lava coming out of volcanoes! Wrong wrong wrong! LOL Just want to put that myth to bed once and for all!
 

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