Load Carrying Capacity of Beams in 3-Story Building

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The discussion centers on the load-carrying capacity of beams in a three-story building, specifically whether the beam supporting the second floor must also support the load of the third floor. Participants explore different structural arrangements and their implications for load distribution.

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  • One participant questions whether the beam holding up the second floor needs to carry the load of the third floor, suggesting that the largest reaction force should come from the soil and foundation.
  • Another participant indicates that the answer depends on the drawing and encourages looking at real construction sites for examples of how load paths are typically arranged.
  • A third participant acknowledges that while it is preferable for the second floor beam not to carry the third floor load, it is possible to design it that way, referencing a historical structural failure for caution.
  • A later reply explains that in standard designs, the load path involves beams transferring loads to columns and then to foundations, with specific design considerations for shear forces and bending moments. They note that non-standard arrangements may require different engineering approaches.

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Participants express differing views on whether the second floor beam must support the third floor load, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding structural design and load paths.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of load paths and structural integrity, but the discussion does not resolve the specific conditions under which different designs may be appropriate.

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If you have say, a 3 story building and each floor has I beams (with cross pieces) carrying the weight, would the beam holding up the second floor have to carry the load of the third floor as well? I don't think so (if I drew my FBD correctly, the largest reaction should be the one pushed up by the soil and the foundation). Can anybody clarify this?
 
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It depend entirely on your drawing - it's possible to draw it either way.

Take a look at a building frame next time you see a construction site (or use google image) - Which way have they done it? Can you think of why it's done this way?
 
Short answer no.
Long answer it depends on the designed for load path. If you have a standard arrangement of primary and secondary beams to columns then the force as a result of floor slabs should be carried by the beams to the columns, columns to the to the foundations. With only slight increases in stresses at the connections between beams and columns due to the floors above, as a result most building codes suggest designing beams to withstand the shear force bending moments and torsional forces caused by the floor during service. And the main focus is on connections to ensure the load is transferred through the structure to the foundations.
If you have a non standard arrangement, such as in Hyatt Regency, with floors above supporting floors below via the use if tie rods and suspension cables, I suggest you look at bridge engineering, and talk to a structural/ bridge engineer.

I might come back to this to elaborate with pictures etc...
 
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