Local inverse of non bijective functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the local inverse of the function f(x) = x^4 - 4x^2 at the point x = -2. Participants explore the implications of the function being non-bijective and the conditions under which a local inverse can be defined.

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  • One participant seeks help in finding the local inverse of the function at a specific point.
  • Another participant clarifies that the local inverse is defined at y_0 = f(x_0) rather than at x_0, emphasizing the ambiguity in defining a local inverse for non-invertible functions.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the function being non-invertible, noting that multiple x-values may correspond to a single y-value.
  • There are references to the inverse and implicit function theorems, suggesting conditions under which local inverses may exist.
  • One participant proposes a method to express the function in a different form, aiming to find x as a function of y, while acknowledging the multi-valued nature of the solution.
  • Another participant points out that the original function can be treated similarly to a completed square form, leading to a discussion about the resulting multi-valued function.
  • Participants explore the possibility of defining multiple inverse functions based on different segments of the original function.
  • There is a suggestion to choose specific signs in the derived expression to ensure that the local inverse corresponds to the desired x-value of -2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges posed by the non-bijective nature of the function and the need for careful consideration in defining local inverses. However, multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the local inverse and the methods to derive it.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion involves a multi-valued function and the need to segment the original function to define different inverse functions. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the choice of signs in the derived expressions.

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How do I find the local inverse of this non bijective functions
Hi,

I am having a hard time trying to solve this question. How do I find the local inverse at x0?

f (x) = x^4 − 4x^2
Find an expression for f^−1 for f at the point x = −2.
Thanks a lot! I would really appreciate any help!!
 
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The inverse would not be "at ##x_0##", it would be defined locally at ##y_0 = f(x_0)##.
This is a homework-type of question for which we are only allowed to give hints and guidance to the work that you show us. So you need to show an attempt at a solution.

To get you started, write the equation as ##0 = x^4-4x^2-y## and apply the quadratic formula to get an equation for ##x^2##.
 
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FactChecker said:
The inverse would not be "at ##x_0##", it would be defined locally at ##y_0 = f(x_0)##.

Since the function is not actually invertible, there may be more than one x for which f(x) = y_0. Saying that an inverse is local to y_0 is therefore ambiguous; saying that it is local to x_0 is not. (The domain of a local inverse of f at x_0 is f(D) for some open D \ni x_0.)
 
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I see, thanks a lot for the help!!
 
pasmith said:
Since the function is not actually invertible, there may be more than one x for which f(x) = y_0. Saying that an inverse is local to y_0 is therefore ambiguous; saying that it is local to x_0 is not. (The domain of a local inverse of f at x_0 is f(D) for some open D \ni x_0.)
Saying that a function is defined that is the local inverse at ##y_0## is valid. There might be multiple choices for the definition, but if there is a branch that gives an inverse, that can be the definition of an inverse function.
 
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There are results, theorems like the inverse or implicit function theorem that tell you the local conditions when that's edit: possible.
 
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S123456 said:
TL;DR Summary: How do I find the local inverse of this non bijective functions

Hi,

I am having a hard time trying to solve this question. How do I find the local inverse at x0?

f (x) = x^4 − 4x^2
Find an expression for f^−1 for f at the point x = −2.

Thanks a lot! I would really appreciate any help!!
Let's analyse this function ... ##f(x)=x^4+4x^2##

It can be written as ##f(x)=x^2(x^2+4)##.
It is always greater than or equal to zero because it is ##x^2 \geq 0## and ##x^2+4 \geq 4##
Only for ##x=0## is 0, means ##f(0)=0##.

It can be written as the square of a sum ##(x^2+b)^2##
##~(x^2+b)^2##
##=(x^2+b)(x^2+b)##
##=x^4+bx^2+bx^2+b^2##
##=x^4+2bx^2+b^2##

if b is 2 then above expression becomes ##=x^4+4x^2+4##

##f(x)=x^4+4x^2+4-4##

##f(x)=(x^2+2)^2-4##

Can you now from ##y=(x^2+2)^2-4##, find x=... as function of y ? ( That is ##f^{-1}(y)## )
 
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Bosko said:
Let's analyse this function ... ##f(x)=x^4+4x^2##

Bosko said:
##f(x)=x^4+4x^2+4-4##

##f(x)=(x^2+2)^2-4##

Can you now from ##y=(x^2+2)^2-4##, find x=... as function of y ? ( That is ##f^{-1}(y)## )
I suppose you realize that you are working with a different function than given in the OP. What you have done is called "completing the square". The function given in the OP can be treated in a similar fashion. By the way, solving your final expression for ##x##, does not give ##x## as a function of ##y##. Rather it gives ##x## in terms of ##y## as what is sometimes referred to as a multi-valued function.

##\displaystyle \quad \quad f(x)=x^4-4x^2##

##\displaystyle \quad \quad \quad \quad =x^4-4x^2+4-4##

##\displaystyle \quad \quad \quad \quad =(x^2-2)^2-4##

Notice that this does not depend upon ##f(x)## being non-negative.
Setting ##y=f(x)##, we have.

##\displaystyle \quad \quad y=(x^2-2)^2-4##

Solving for ##x## gives the result:

##\displaystyle \quad \quad x=\pm\sqrt{2 \pm \sqrt{y+4\ } \ }##

Seeing as there are two ##\pm## symbols, we may expect as many as 4 distinct values of ##x## to result from a single value of ##y##.

(I expect to add a bit more to this Post as time permits.)

Added after @Bosko replied :

As mentioned in the OP, we are looking for a local inverse for ##f(x)## at ##x=-2=x_0##. So the corresponding ##y_0=f(x_0)=0##. The following function, ##g(y)## does the trick.

##\displaystyle \quad \quad x=g(y)=-\sqrt{2 + \sqrt{y+4\ } \ }##

##\displaystyle \quad \quad g(0)=-\sqrt{2 + \sqrt{0+4\ } \ }=-\sqrt{2 + 2 \ } = -2##

The domain of ##g## is ##[-4,\, \infty)##, the range is ##(-\infty,\,-\sqrt 2 \,] ##.
##g## is monotone decreasing and therefore is a bijection.

(I expect to add a bit more to this Post or make a new Post as time permits.)
 
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SammyS said:
I suppose you realize that you are working with a different function than given in the OP. What you have done is called "completing the square".
Now I see. Thanks. I put + instead of - hahaha . All is wrong after that
SammyS said:
The function given in the OP can be treated in a similar fashion. By the way, solving your final expression for ##x##, does not give ##x## as a function of ##y##. Rather it gives ##x## in terms of ##y## as what is sometimes referred to as a multi-valued function.
That is true but, if we cut the original function in 4 parts : ( GeoGebra site drawing)
Screenshot 2024-02-05 at 23.41.57.png

1. for ##x \leq -1.414 ##
2. for ##-1.414 \leq x \leq 0 ##
3. for ##0 \leq x \leq 1.414 ##
4. for ##1.414 \leq x ##

SammyS said:
##\displaystyle \quad \quad x=\pm\sqrt{2 \pm \sqrt{y+4\ } \ }##

Seeing as there are two ##\pm## symbols, we may expect as many as 4 distinct values of ##x## to result from a single value of ##y##.

(I expect to add a bit more to this Post as time permits.)
By replacing ##\pm## with either + or - in your formula we can get 4 inverse functions that corresponds to 4 segments of the original function.
 
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You have some options for the inverse function at ##y_0##. The choice of signs gives 4 options. You just need to pick the option that will give you ##x=-2##. At ##x=-2## you can calculate ##y=0##. So what does that tell you about the choice of signs in ##x=\pm \sqrt {2 \pm \sqrt {y+4}}##?
UPDATE: I see that @SammyS already said this in post #8.
 
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