Taylor expansion of an unknown function

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The discussion revolves around the Taylor expansion of an unknown function, specifically addressing the conditions under which a quadratic function derived from limited information can be classified as a Taylor series expansion or polynomial regression. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding function approximation methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a quadratic function obtained from known values and derivatives of an unknown function is a result of Taylor series expansion or polynomial regression.
  • Another participant suggests that if the function does not have higher order terms, it can be considered a Taylor series; otherwise, it may not be.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the term 'Taylor series expansion' may not be appropriate, proposing 'truncated Taylor series curve fitting' instead, and questions the necessity of naming the method.
  • One participant concludes that the process is more accurately described as a quadratic polynomial fit, noting that it can yield misleading information about the function's behavior around the point of expansion.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of polynomial interpolation, specifically Hermite interpolation, as a more fitting description of the method used when derivatives are known.

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Participants express differing views on the classification of the quadratic function derived from the given data, with no consensus reached on whether it should be termed a Taylor series expansion, polynomial regression, or polynomial interpolation.

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Participants highlight the limitations of the approach, including the potential for misleading information about the function's behavior and the dependence on the number of known derivatives.

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Taylor series expansion or polynomial regression which is the correct term here for finding an analytical estimate for an unknown function?
Hello,

I have a question regarding the Taylor expansion of an unknown function and I would be tanksful to have your comments on that.

Suppose we want to find an analytical estimate for an unknown function. The available information for this function is; its exact value at x0 (f0) and first derivative at x0 (f0'), and its exact value at x=x1 (f1) which is far from x0. This means that we only need to find the second derivative through solving f1 = f0 + f0'*(x1-x0) + (f"0/2)*(x1-x0)^2 to form the truncated Taylor series for f.

My question is that whether the obtained quadratic function is the result of Taylor series expansion or polynomial regression?
 
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If you are sure that the function does not have any higher order term components, e.g. ##x^3, x^4##, it is Taylor series, otherwise not. Though I do not know much about polynomial regression, it is often used for statistical data so I am not sure if it applies here.
 
Alex_F said:
Suppose we want to find an analytical estimate for an unknown function. The available information for this function is; its exact value at x0 (f0) and first derivative at x0 (f0'), and its exact value at x=x1 (f1) which is far from x0. This means that we only need to find the second derivative through solving f1 = f0 + f0'*(x1-x0) + (f"0/2)*(x1-x0)^2 to form the truncated Taylor series for f.
OK, nothing unusual here, we are just talking about ## s = ut + \frac12 at^2 ##.

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My question is that whether the obtained quadratic function is the result of Taylor series expansion or polynomial regression?
Well it's certainly not polynomial regression; I wouldn't personally use the term 'Taylor series expansion' either - perhaps 'truncated Taylor series curve fitting'? Why do you need a name anyway? I'd just call it "solving for constant f''(x)", or for the example I gave "solving for acceleration".
 
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pbuk said:
OK, nothing unusual here, we are just talking about s=ut+12at2.Well it's certainly not polynomial regression; I wouldn't personally use the term 'Taylor series expansion' either - perhaps 'truncated Taylor series curve fitting'? Why do you need a name anyway? I'd just call it "solving for constant f''(x)", or for the example I gave "solving for acceleration".

Thanks for your answer. You are right, it is definitely not a Taylor expansion. I think we can call it quadratic polynomial fit as the results are identical when you fit a second-order polynomial to the available data. I checked this for couple of functions and it should be also possible to prove it analytically.

I needed a name, first to better know what I was doing and second to write in a report about it. However, I got rid of this as it was just a curve fitting using very few data. Moreover, this type of fitting would also give me misleading information on the function behavior around x0.
 
I would call that polynomial interpolation. If I recall correctly Hermite type. Given the value of a function and/or its some derivatives we can look for a polynomial that has the same values. If as in your example whenever we know a derivative we know all lower derivative and including the 0th (function value) this can always be done uniquely. If some derivatives are missing (Birkhoff type) we may have no solution or multiple solutions.
 
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lurflurf said:
I would call that polynomial interpolation. If I recall correctly Hermite type.
Yes, (quadratic) Hermite interpolation is the best description.
 

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