Loeb's perspective on emergence of structure

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The discussion centers on Abraham Loeb's review paper regarding the emergence of structure in the universe from its initial conditions. It explores theoretical models, observational challenges, and the implications of cosmic expansion on our understanding of the universe's evolution.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants appreciate Loeb's synthesis of the current state of knowledge regarding the universe's complexity and the open questions that remain.
  • Loeb's review discusses how gravity plays a role in the transition from simple initial conditions to complex structures, although the actual transition has not yet been observed.
  • One participant challenges the explanation of cosmological redshift, questioning the application of general relativity in modifying photon frequency due to spacetime curvature.
  • Another participant suggests that the redshift explanation may be related to the concept of metric expansion of space, referencing an external source for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the significance of Loeb's work and the open issues it presents, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of cosmological redshift and its relation to general relativity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved questions about the observational evidence for the emergence of structure and the theoretical underpinnings of redshift, which depend on interpretations of general relativity and cosmological models.

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This is an invited review paper by a worldclass authority, so it could be useful.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.2258
Let there be Light: the Emergence of Structure out of the Dark Ages in the Early Universe
Abraham Loeb (Harvard)
32 pages, 18 figures, an invited review for the UNESCO EOLSS Encyclopedia
(Submitted on 14 Apr 2008)

"The initial conditions of our Universe can be summarized on a single sheet of paper. Yet the Universe is full of complex structures today, such as stars, galaxies and groups of galaxies. In this review I describe the standard theoretical model for how complexity emerged from the simple initial state of the Universe at early cosmic times through the action of gravity. In order to test and inform the related theoretical calculations, large-aperture telescopes and arrays of radio antennae are currently being designed and constructed. The actual transition from simplicity to complexity has not been observed as of yet. The simple initial conditions were already traced in maps of the microwave background radiation, but the challenge of detecting the first generation of galaxies defines one of the exciting frontiers in the future of cosmology. Once at hand, the missing images of the infant Universe might potentially surprise us and revise our current ideas."
 
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I think Loeb has done an admirable job assembling a state of the universe presentation. He captures the open issues well, IMO.
 
"As the universe expands, photon wavelengths get stretched as well. The factor by which the observed wavelength is increased (i.e. shifted towards the red) relative to the emitted one is denoted by (1+z), where z is the cosmological redshift. Astronomers use the known emission patterns of hydrogen and other chemical elements in the spectrum of each galaxy to measure z. This then implies that the universe has expanded by a factor of (1 + z) in linear dimension since the galaxy emitted the observed light, and cosmologists can calculate the corresponding distance and cosmic age for the source galaxy."

I do not agree with that at all, where does general relativity demonstrate that the frequency of photons along the path between emission and absorption is modified by spacetime curvature?
 

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