Log and Ln Problem - Matching Equations

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The discussion revolves around proving the equivalence of two equations related to cadmium concentration, which involve natural logarithms and common logarithms. Participants are exploring the implications of using different bases for logarithmic functions in the context of a specific application.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the mathematical relationship between the equations involving e and 10 as bases for logarithms. There are attempts to rewrite the equations to highlight differences and clarify the misunderstanding regarding the logarithmic functions used.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions behind the equivalence of the two equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to reconcile the different bases of logarithms, and there is an acknowledgment of potential calculator display issues that may contribute to confusion.

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There is a mention of the lack of clarity regarding the logarithmic functions, specifically the distinction between 'In' and 'ln'. Additionally, a request for the hardness value indicates that specific numerical inputs may be relevant to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



I am trying to prove that the following equations are the same for a client, but keep getting different answers using a calculator.


Homework Equations



1- Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L


2 - Cadmium concentration = 10^0.86[log10(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L


The Attempt at a Solution



These are the answers I keep getting:

Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L = 0.649361 ug/L

Cadmium concentration = 10^0.86[log10(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L = 0.010051 ug/L
 
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why would you think they are the same if you rewrite a little you'll see why:

cc = hardness * e^0.86 - 3.2

vs

cc = hardness * 10^0.86 - 3.2

to make them the same you need to fix the 0.86 power ie 10^y=e^0.86
 
pizbot said:

Homework Statement



I am trying to prove that the following equations are the same for a client, but keep getting different answers using a calculator.


Homework Equations



1- Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L


2 - Cadmium concentration = 10^0.86[log10(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L


The Attempt at a Solution



These are the answers I keep getting:

Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L = 0.649361 ug/L

Cadmium concentration = 10^0.86[log10(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L = 0.010051 ug/L

e ≈ 2.718281828459...

So, e ≠ 10 → e^0.86 ≠ 10^0.86, etc.

However, the display on many calculators does show E rather than 10 when displaying powers of ten, as in the following:

2.998✕108 will be shown as 2.998E8 .

Perhaps that's what you are thinking of.
 
pizbot said:

Homework Equations


1- Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L

There is no In function - it's ln (LN), short for logarithmus naturalis.
 
What is your hardness value?
 

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