Logarithm of negative base to a number resulting in even

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The discussion centers around the logarithm of a negative base, specifically why the logarithm of 100 to the base -10 does not equal 2. Participants explore the implications of using negative bases in logarithmic functions, particularly in relation to complex numbers.

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  • Some participants note that a negative number raised to an even power results in a positive number, questioning the validity of the logarithm of a negative base.
  • Others argue that logarithmic functions are defined for positive real numbers only, and thus a negative base is not applicable in standard contexts.
  • A participant explains that the question makes sense only in the complex domain, providing a formula that includes complex logarithms, which are not single-valued.
  • Some participants express that extending logarithmic functions to negative bases leads to complications and "weird results."
  • A later reply suggests that while it is possible to derive a value of 2 for the logarithm in specific cases, it is not the only value, indicating the multi-valued nature of complex logarithms.
  • There are clarifications on notation and expressions used in the discussion, with some participants suggesting clearer ways to present the logarithmic expression.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the validity and implications of using a negative base in logarithmic functions, particularly in the context of complex numbers.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the application of logarithmic functions to negative bases, dependence on the complex domain, and the unresolved nature of the mathematical expressions involved.

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Negative number multiplied by itself an even number of times gives us a positive number.

Why does log to -10 base of 100 not equal 2?

thanks in advance.
 
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You cannot extend that to a function over anything apart from a few selected integers. How would that be useful?
 
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Logarithmic functions are the inverse of exponentials and are limited to positive reals only for log bases and for log arguments and the base can't be equal to 1. Hence you're not going to see a negative base:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithm
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
Why does log to -10 base of 100 not equal 2?
Your question only makes sense in the complex domain, so:
\log_{-10}(100)=\frac{\log(100)}{\log(-10)}=\frac{2\cdot \log(10)}{\log(10)+(2n+1)\pi i} where n is an integer (the complex logarithm is not single-valued). Thus, even if you put n=0, the answer is not going to be 2.
 
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mfb said:
You cannot extend that to a function over anything apart from a few selected integers. How would that be useful?
ok
Svein said:
Your question only makes sense in the complex domain, so:
\log_{-10}(100)=\frac{\log(100)}{\log(-10)}=\frac{2\cdot \log(10)}{\log(10)+(2n+1)\pi i} where n is an integer (the complex logarithm is not single-valued). Thus, even if you put n=0, the answer is not going to be 2.

:oldconfused::redface:
 
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Svein's post is a more mathematical version of "you could not extend this to anything useful" - you would run into weird results everywhere.
 
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On reflection, my answer is too simple, a more correct answer is \log_{-10}(100)=\frac{\log(100)}{\log(-10)}=\frac{2\cdot \log(10)+2m\pi i}{\log(10)+(2n+1)\pi i} where m and n are integers. The expression can be simplified somewhat, but none of the results are going to be 2.
 
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ok:biggrin::check:
 
Bipolar Demon said:
Why does log to -10 base of 100 not equal 2?
Just as a side comment, what you wrote is not clear. It would be clearer as ##\log_{-10}(100)## or in words as "log, base -10, of 100".
 
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Svein said:
On reflection, my answer is too simple, a more correct answer is \log_{-10}(100)=\frac{\log(100)}{\log(-10)}=\frac{2\cdot \log(10)+2m\pi i}{\log(10)+(2n+1)\pi i} where m and n are integers. The expression can be simplified somewhat, but none of the results are going to be 2.

Take ##m=1## and ##n=0##, you do get

\frac{2\cdot \log(10)+2\pi i}{\log(10)+\pi i} = 2 \frac{\log(10)+\pi i}{\log(10)+\pi i} = 2

So ##2## is a value of ##\log_{-10}(100)##, as it should be. But it's not the only value.
 
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micromass said:
Take ##m=1## and ##n=0##, you do get

\frac{2\cdot \log(10)+2\pi i}{\log(10)+\pi i} = 2 \frac{\log(10)+\pi i}{\log(10)+\pi i} = 2

So ##2## is a value of ##\log_{-10}(100)##, as it should be. But it's not the only value.
:-pTalk about missing the obvious. One demerit for me!
 

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