Logarithmic p-Series: MathCad Findings

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the logarithmic p-series and its corresponding integral, specifically examining the behavior of the series given by \sum_{n=2}^n \frac{1}{n \ ln(n)^p } and the integral int_{2}^{infty} \frac {1}{x \ {ln(x)}^p} dx. The original poster expresses surprise at findings from MathCad that suggest the integral converges for values of p less than or equal to 1.

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  • Participants explore the discrepancy between the expected mathematical behavior of the series and integral versus the results obtained from MathCad. Questions arise regarding the numerical integration methods used by MathCad and their effectiveness over infinite intervals. There is also an inquiry into the implications of showing that an integral is not convergent.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing observations about numerical integration techniques and questioning the assumptions underlying the original poster's findings. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential experiments to test the behavior of integrals in MathCad.

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There is mention of the original poster's unfamiliarity with MathCad and the implications of numerical versus symbolic integration. The discussion also touches on the properties required for convergence and the challenges of integrating over infinite regions.

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According to textbooks, the logarithmic p-series given by
\sum_{n=2}^n \frac{1}{n \ ln(n)^p } [\tex] and should converge when p>1 and diverge when p \leq 1 [\tex]<br /> <br /> <br /> <h2>Homework Equations</h2><br /> Using MathCad (version 11 to 14), I find that the corresponding integral<br /> int_{2}^{infty} \frac {1}{x \ {ln(x)}^p} dx [\tex] always converges. For instance, for p=0.6, I find that the integral becomes 49.916 (instead of diverging)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> <br /> I have never before encountered a problem with MathCad, so this discrepancy is really surprising. I'm just curious about reactions or observations of similar problems with MathCad.
 
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I don't use MatCad, however the numerical answer you provide me implies that MathCad integrates numerically (as opposed to symbolically, like Mathematicia). It may happen that MathCad is using a numerical integration technique that isn't effective over infinite regions of integration.

Perhaps we could try an experiment? On MathCad, please integrate 1/x between 1 and infinity, I wouldn't be overly surprised if it gave some finite answer. Both integrands in question, 1/x and the p integral, may appear to have a finite integral, they do have some properties required, such as terms approaching zero.

To see why your corresponding integral actually doesn't always converge, use the fundamental theorem of calculus after a substitution.
 
Gib Z said:
I don't use MatCad, however the numerical answer you provide me implies that MathCad integrates numerically (as opposed to symbolically, like Mathematicia). It may happen that MathCad is using a numerical integration technique that isn't effective over infinite regions of integration.

Perhaps we could try an experiment? On MathCad, please integrate 1/x between 1 and infinity, I wouldn't be overly surprised if it gave some finite answer. Both integrands in question, 1/x and the p integral, may appear to have a finite integral, they do have some properties required, such as terms approaching zero.

To see why your corresponding integral actually doesn't always converge, use the fundamental theorem of calculus after a substitution.

Hi, thanks for the reply. I tried the integral you mentioned but this resulted in no answer (not convergent).
 
Why does showing that it is not convergent mean there is no answer?
 

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