Logic question (conjunction of implications)

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The discussion revolves around the logical implications of combining two statements in classical logic. Participants explore the necessary steps or assumptions to derive a conjunction of implications from individual implications, specifically focusing on the transition from "x implies y" and "z implies w" to "x and z implies y and w." The scope includes logical reasoning and manipulation of logical operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what steps or assumptions are needed to derive "x and z implies y and w" from the implications "x implies y" and "z implies w."
  • Another participant notes that "x implies y" can be rewritten as "(not x) or y" and similarly for "z implies w," suggesting a logical equivalence approach.
  • A suggestion is made to use a truth table for those who may not be skilled in manipulating logical operators.
  • Further, a participant outlines key logical laws, including distributive laws, DeMorgan's laws, double negation, and material implication, which may be relevant for understanding the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific steps required to derive the desired implication. The discussion remains open with various suggestions and approaches presented without resolution.

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Limitations include the lack of specific assumptions stated regarding separability and the dependence on the participants' familiarity with logical manipulation techniques.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in classical logic, logical implications, and those seeking to understand the manipulation of logical operators.

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hi all,

I'm no logician but am interested in sorting out this problem.

Say you've shown that

1. x implies y
and
2. z implies w

what steps/assumptions are required, in classical logic, to get from 1&2 to:

3. x&z implies y&w

Do the steps require some sort of separability assumption, or something of the sort?

Thanks!
 
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"x implies y" is logically equivalent to "(not x) or y"
"z impllies w" is logically equivalent to "(not z) or w".

The statement you want to prove is logically equivalent to
"not (x and z) or (y and w)"

Are you skilled enough at manipulating "and","or" and "not" to do the proof?

If not, you could use a truth table.
 
thanks very much stephen!

I am not skilled at all with manipulating operators, so cannot do the proof myself.

Can you suggest a website or textbook I could look at that would help?
 
I don't know of a good website, off hand. Perhaps another forum member will.

An outline of what you need to know is

Distributive laws:

"A and (B or C)" is equivalent to "(A and B) or (A and C)"
"A or (B and C)" is equivalent to "(A or B) and (A or C)".


DeMorgan's Laws:

"not (A and B)" is equivalent to "(not A) or (not B)"
"not (A or B)" is equivalent to "(not A) and (not B)"

Double Negation

"not (not A)" is equivalent to "A"


Material Implication
"if A then B" is equivalent to "(not A) or B"

Or you can search for "Truth Tables" and find a explanation of how to do them.
 
ok thanks very much
 

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