Looking for a way to describe Electromagnetic Field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on how to effectively explain the concept of the electromagnetic (EM) field and EM waves to high school seniors. Participants explore various approaches to clarify the nature of EM waves, particularly in the context of their propagation in a vacuum without a medium.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest starting with static magnets and electricity before introducing oscillating electric and magnetic fields.
  • One participant describes the movement of a "disturbance" in a wave, comparing it to a pulse on a string, where the disturbance moves forward while individual points return to equilibrium.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that a single vector potential can describe an EM wave in a vacuum, although this may be challenging for high school students to grasp.
  • There is a mention of gauge freedom in vector potentials, which complicates the explanation of these concepts to students.
  • Some participants argue that using vector potentials and gauge fixing is not suitable for the intended audience of high school students.
  • One participant draws an analogy between the interdependence of electric and magnetic fields due to EM induction and the motion of a block on an inclined plane.
  • Another participant asserts that the essential point to convey is that in an EM wave, there is no medium moving; rather, it is the disturbance in the EM field that propagates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best way to explain EM waves, with some advocating for simpler analogies and others suggesting more complex mathematical descriptions. There is no consensus on a single effective method for teaching this concept to high school students.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the challenges of conveying advanced concepts such as vector potentials and gauge freedom to a high school audience, as well as the need to clarify what is meant by "movement" in the context of EM waves.

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As the title suggests, I'm looking for a way to explain/describe the EM field to high school seniors. Mechanical transverse waves are easy. But since EM waves travel in a vacuum and require no medium it's hard to form a picture in the mind of the students. What is actually moving?
 
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You may want to start by talking about static magnets and static electricity, then moving on to oscillating magnetic and electric fields. Here's a site which has an idea of where to start. The site says that it is moving, but it is there for now - https://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html
 
In a wave, the "disturbance" is what moves.
In the animation on the page suggested by @scottdave ,
that "sine-wave pattern of the electric and magnetic fields at an instant" is what moves forward in the next instant of time.

As an analogy, consider a pulse on a horizontal string ( see https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/wave-on-a-string ).
The disturbance at a point on the string is that piece of the string being displaced from zero in the vertical direction.
That disturbance passes and that piece of string returns to zero height.
The neighboring piece of string then experiences the disturbance.
Let's ignore damping and other dissipative factors.

Now for the electromagnetic field...
At each point in space, there is an electric and magnetic field vector.
In a region where the wave disturbance hasn't reached yet, these vectors are zero (for simplicity).

Now suppose you have this disturbance:
this sine-wave pattern of electric and magnetic fields
at an instant: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/imgel2/emwavec.gif.
In the next instant of time, because of this particular pattern [a plane wave],
Maxwell's Equations move that pattern along the axis...
that is, along the axis,
each point has the electric and magnetic field vectors that its neighbor had at the previous instant.
 
Two fields are not necessary for description of an EM wave in vacuum. A single vector potential ##\mathbf{A}(x,y,z,t)## tells everything about the field in a region with no electric charges. The vector potential obeys a wave equation similar to that of mechanical displacement waves. Of course high school students can't do vector calculus, but they can probably get some kind of idea from images like this:

wave.gif
 
hilbert2 said:
Two fields are not necessary for description of an EM wave in vacuum. A single vector potential ##\mathbf{A}(x,y,z,t)## tells everything about the field in a region with no electric charges.
Presumably, you are referring to a 4-vector ##A^u## since you need the scalar potential ##\phi## as well. Of course, these potentials are not unique because of gauge freedom... so you will likely have trouble explaining a picture of these potentials (to answer the OP).
 
robphy said:
Presumably, you are referring to a 4-vector ##A^u## since you need the scalar potential ##\phi## as well. Of course, these potentials are not unique because of gauge freedom... so you will likely have trouble explaining a picture of these potentials (to answer the OP).

The gauge can be chosen in a way that makes the scalar potential vanish at all points that are far from charge densities.
 
The OP is looking for a way to explain EM waves to high school students. Using the vector potential and gauge fixing is not going to help in this.
 
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General relativity...inclined plane...just sayin'.
 
I guess it's enough to tell the students that because of EM induction the electric and magnetic fields don't behave independently of each other. Just like the state of motion of a block on an inclined plane can be described with less numbers that the state of a block undergoing projectile motion.
 
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hilbert2 said:
I guess it's enough to tell the students that because of EM induction the electric and magnetic fields don't behave independently of each other. Just like the state of motion of a block on an inclined plane can be described with less numbers that the state of a block undergoing projectile motion.
I don't think this answers the question either. The question many students will have and that the OP is looking for a good answer to is "what is moving in the EM wave?" From our experience with other waves, this is a reasonable question - physicists asked it back in the day and even named the hypothetical medium - "aether". Of course, we now know that aether is not necessary and that most aether theories are excluded.

At this level, I would tell the students that there really is not anything that moves apart from the disturbance in the EM field that propagates in the field. The wave is not a motion in a medium, but a change in the EM fields.
 

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