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The discussion revolves around a mathematical sequence defined by the relation f(n)*f(n+1)=n, where n is an integer. Participants explore the terms of the sequence, seek methods to find partial sums, and discuss the derivation of closed forms for the terms.

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  • One participant presents a sequence defined by f(n)*f(n+1)=n and requests assistance in finding the partial sums of the terms.
  • Another participant provides closed forms for the even and odd terms of the sequence, noting a difference in indexing (starting from 0 instead of 1).
  • The second participant explains their reasoning for deriving the closed forms, focusing on the structure of the fractions in the sequence and relating them to factorials.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the provided closed forms and requests clarification on the derivation process.
  • The responder elaborates on their method, detailing how they approached the problem by examining even values of n and simplifying the expressions involved.
  • A final participant confirms they have independently verified the closed forms presented.

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Participants generally agree on the closed forms provided for the terms of the sequence, but there is no explicit consensus on the method for finding partial sums or the implications of the sequence's structure.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the indexing of terms and the definitions used in the derivation of closed forms, which may affect interpretations of the results.

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1, 1, 2, 3/2, 4/(3/2), 5/(4/(3/2)), ...

I suppose there are a lot of variations, but the general idea is the terms are defined by:

f(n)*f(n+1)=n, where n is an integer. The top row is the term # (n), and the bottom one is the actual value of the term

Particularly, I am looking for a way to find the partial sums of the terms.Any responses are appreciated. Sorry for the unclear formatting...
 
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realitybugll said:
1 2 3 4 5 6
1, 1, 2, 3/2, 4/(3/2), 5/(4/(3/2)), ...

I suppose there are a lot of variations, but the general idea is the terms are defined by:

f(n)*f(n+1)=n, where n is an integer. The top row is the term # (n), and the bottom one is the actual value of the term

Particularly, I am looking for a way to find the partial sums of the terms.Any responses are appreciated. Sorry for the unclear formatting...

Here's a start; closed forms for the odd and even terms. However, I have started your series counting from 0. That is, where you write f(1) I have f(0). Otherwise it's the same.
\begin{align*}<br /> f(2n) &amp; = 4^n n!^2 / (2n)! \\<br /> f(2n+1) &amp; = (2n+1)! / n!^2 / 4^n<br /> \end{align*}​
Try it.

Cheers -- sylas
 
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sylas,

Wow! thank you.

Could you maybe give me a hint as to how you found that?
 
realitybugll said:
sylas,

Wow! thank you.

Could you maybe give me a hint as to how you found that?

Sure. Basically, I noted that the form of your fractions is as follows.
\frac{n(n-2)(n-4)(n-6)...}{(n-1)(n-3)(n-5)(n-7)...}​
To make life easy for myself, I started by looking only at even values of n. What I actually did was consider cases for 2n, so the equation becomes
\frac{2n(2n-2)(2n-4)(2n-6)...2}{(2n-1)(2n-3)(2n-5)(2n-7)...1}​
This looks a lot like a factorial, so I immediate thought about dividing everything by 2. Once I have a formula for the top line, I can see I will be able to get the bottom line by dividing (2n)! by the top line, so I just focus on the top line. There are n terms being multiplied, so the top line is
2^n n(n-1)(n-2)(n-3)...1 = 2^n n!​
The bottom line is therefore
\frac{(2n)!}{2^n n!}​
So we divide these two, and obtain:
\frac{(2^n n!)^2}{(2n)!} = \frac{4^n n!^2}{(2n)!}​
Given the way you numbered equations, this would actually be term number 2n+1. So I simply started numbering from 0. I'm also a pure mathematician, and for programming I like C better than Fortran... so I usually start counting from zero anyway. It often simplifies a problem like this.

Finding the equation for the odd terms was a breeze, using f(n)*f(n-1) = n, which you was your defining relation (adjusted to start counting at zero).

Cheers -- sylas
 
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Thanks, I read over it and then went through it myself and got the same thing :approve:
 
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