Undergrad Looking for what this type of PDE is generally called

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The discussion centers on identifying a specific type of nonlinear partial differential equation (PDE) characterized by the equation involving the functions φ, z, and a constant ρ. The equation is a second-order PDE that can be classified as elliptic or hyperbolic based on the determinant of the second derivatives of φ. The participants suggest researching symmetry group analysis, particularly referencing the work of Olver from Springer publishing, to gain insights into the equation's properties and potential solutions.

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  • Understanding of nonlinear partial differential equations (PDEs)
  • Familiarity with second-order PDE classification (elliptic, hyperbolic)
  • Knowledge of symmetry group analysis techniques
  • Basic concepts of differential calculus and determinants
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  • Research "symmetry group analysis for nonlinear PDEs" in the context of Olver's publications
  • Study the classification of second-order PDEs, focusing on elliptic and hyperbolic equations
  • Explore methods for solving nonlinear PDEs, particularly through scaling and rotational symmetries
  • Investigate the application of determinant analysis in PDEs to understand solution behavior
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Mathematicians, physicists, and engineers dealing with nonlinear PDEs, as well as researchers interested in advanced methods for analyzing and solving complex differential equations.

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(since I'm completely outside this community, please delete this post if someone sees it is inappropriate) We have this type of nicely symmetric very famous nonlinear pde in our area. But no one knows how to handle it properly in general. Suggestions on how it is called in general would be a great help.
We have this type of very famous nicely symmetric pde in our area. However, no one knows how to handle it properly since it is a nonlinear pde.
Suggestions on how it is called in general would help us further googling. I already tried keywords like "bilinear", "dual", "double", but by far could not find any relevant material on the internet.
$$
\frac{\partial^2 \phi}{\partial x\partial x}\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial y\partial y}
-2\frac{\partial^2 \phi}{\partial x\partial y}\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial x\partial y}
+\frac{\partial^2 \phi}{\partial y\partial y}\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial x\partial x} =\rho.
$$

##\phi,z## and ##\rho## are functions of ##x## and ##y##. ##\rho## is given (let's say it is simply ##\rho=1##). When ##\phi## is given, then this equation is a second-order pde. With the determinant of the second derivatives of ##\phi## be positive, the second-order pde is elliptic (e.g. Laplace equation). With the determinant of the second derivatives of ##\phi## be negative, the second-order pde is hyperbolic (wave equation).
The idea is to unlock ##\phi## so that we can have more control over the second-order pde.

We are not mathematicians, please be tolerant of inaccurate word choices.
Thank you!
 
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There is a method for non-linear PDEs which may help called symmetry group analysis. Look for references by the author Olver from Springer publishing. Here it looks like there are some definite scaling symmetries as well as rotational symmetry in the x-y plane. (Not that the solutions will have these symmetries but the equation will be form-invariant under these transformations.)If I have time I'll look at it but I'm going to be quite busy for the next couple of weeks so no promises.
 

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