Loop-the-loop Conservation of energy

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving conservation of energy and forces acting on a car in a loop-the-loop scenario. The original poster presents a situation where a small car is given an initial velocity of 4 m/s, and the goal is to determine the maximum radius of the loop that allows the car to maintain contact with the track throughout the motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the car at the top of the loop, specifically the relationship between gravitational force and centrifugal force. There is an exploration of the equations governing these forces and the implications of energy conservation as the car ascends the loop.

Discussion Status

Some participants are actively questioning their reasoning and considering the implications of energy loss as the car moves through the loop. There are hints and suggestions regarding the need to equate forces and consider energy transformations, but no consensus or definitive solutions have been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the balance between gravitational and centrifugal forces, as well as the conversion of kinetic energy to gravitational potential energy as the car ascends. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in solving for both the radius and the velocity at the top of the loop.

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A small car is given an initial velocity of 4 m/s (prior to reaching the loop), what is the largest value that the radius of a loop the loop can have so that the car remains in contact with the track at all times?

This one really has me stumped... please help
 
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OK ... not sure if this is right... When the car is at the top of the loop the loop, the force of gravity has to equal the centrifugal force. If you draw a free body diagram at the moment it reaches the top of loop the loop, the car will have an arrow pointing downwards representing gravity and an arrow pointing upwards representing centrifugal force. Now, what is the equation for the centrifugal force? If you know that, equate the equation of gravity and the centrifugal force and solve for r.
 
Actually I think I'm wrong... Let me think about it a little more until I get the right answer and get back to you.
 
putongren said:
OK ... not sure if this is right... When the car is at the top of the loop the loop, the force of gravity has to equal the centrifugal force. If you draw a free body diagram at the moment it reaches the top of loop the loop, the car will have an arrow pointing downwards representing gravity and an arrow pointing upwards representing centrifugal force. Now, what is the equation for the centrifugal force? If you know that, equate the equation of gravity and the centrifugal force and solve for r.

Don't you have to take into account the loss of velocity as the car goes up the loop?
 
erice said:

Homework Statement


A small car is given an initial velocity of 4 m/s (prior to reaching the loop), what is the largest value that the radius of a loop the loop can have so that the car remains in contact with the track at all times?

This one really has me stumped... please help

I'll give you a couple more hints. You need to use the fact that the centrifugal force and force of gravity must be equal and opposite and you need to note that the kinetic energy at the start goes into gravitational potential energy plus kinetic energy as the car goes up the loop. Thus you will have two equations for two unkonwns: the velocity at the top of the loop and the radius of the track.
 

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