Lorentz transformation and its Noether current

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The discussion centers on the calculation of Noether current in the context of Lorentz transformations, specifically referencing David Tong's lecture notes on quantum field theory. The participants clarify the derivation of the change in the Lagrangian density, ##\delta \mathcal{L}##, and address the confusion surrounding the differentiation of the spacetime coordinates ##x^\sigma##. The final consensus confirms that for scalar fields, the transformation leads to the equation ##\delta \mathcal{L} = -\omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \partial_{\rho} \mathcal{L}##, while noting that spinor fields require additional considerations involving a spin matrix.

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Hi.
I'd like to ask about the calculation of Noether current.
On page16 of David Tong's lecture note(http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/qft.html), there is a topic about Noether current and Lorentz transformation.
I want to derive ##\delta \mathcal{L}##, but during my calculation, I encountered this:
\begin{align}
\delta \mathcal{L}&=\dfrac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi}\delta \phi+\dfrac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}\partial_\mu (\delta \phi)\\
&=\dfrac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi}(-\omega^\rho_{~\sigma}x^\sigma \partial_\rho \phi)+
\dfrac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}\partial_\mu
(-\omega^\rho_{~\sigma}x^\sigma \partial_\rho \phi).
\end{align}
The second term,
$$
\partial_\mu(-\omega^\rho_{~\sigma}x^\sigma \partial_\rho \phi)
$$
is a troubling term for me. Since there is ##x^\sigma## and ##\partial_\mu##, I thought I have to derivate ##x^\sigma## like ##\partial_\mu x^\sigma##. But if I do so, it doesn't match with the result in the textbook.
Am I supposed not to derivate ##x##? or am I missing something?

Thanks.
 
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Exactly which equation are you trying to reproduce?
 
Orodruin said:
Exactly which equation are you trying to reproduce?
I want eq(1.53):
$$
\delta \mathcal{L}=-\omega^\mu_{~\nu}x^\nu\partial_\mu \mathcal{L}.
$$
 
Ken Gallock said:
I want eq(1.53):
$$
\delta \mathcal{L}=-\omega^\mu_{~\nu}x^\nu\partial_\mu \mathcal{L}.
$$
This is a direct consequence of the Lagrangian being a scalar field.
 
Orodruin said:
This is a direct consequence of the Lagrangian being a scalar field.
Is it different when I'm dealing with spinor fields?
 
Ken Gallock said:
Hi.
I'd like to ask about the calculation of Noether current.
...
But if I do so, it doesn't match with the result in the textbook.
Thanks.
You get the same result, if you differentiate and remember to use the fact that your field is a scalar and \omega_{\mu\nu} = -\omega_{\nu\mu}:
-\delta \mathcal{L} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi} \left(\omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\phi \right) + \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu} \phi ) } \left( \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma}x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho} \partial_{\mu} \phi + \partial^{\rho}\phi \ \omega_{\rho \mu}\right) . Arrange the terms to get \delta \mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\mathcal{L} - \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi )} . Now, for a scalar field, you have \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi )} \propto \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \partial^{\mu}\phi = 0 , because of the \omega_{\rho \mu} = - \omega_{\mu\rho}. So, you are left with \delta \mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho} \left( x^{\sigma} \mathcal{L}\right) .

Is it different when I'm dealing with spinor fields?

The Lagrangian will still be scalar, but the transformation of the (spinor) field will no longer be \delta \psi = -\omega^{\mu}{}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\psi . You have to account for the spin of the field by including an appropriate spin matrix \Sigma: \delta \psi_{a} = -\omega^{\mu}{}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\ \partial_{\mu}\psi_{a} + \omega_{\rho \sigma} (\Sigma^{\rho\sigma})_{a}{}^{c} \ \psi_{c} .
 
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samalkhaiat said:
You get the same result, if you differentiate and remember to use the fact that your field is a scalar and \omega_{\mu\nu} = -\omega_{\nu\mu}:
-\delta \mathcal{L} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi} \left(\omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\phi \right) + \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu} \phi ) } \left( \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma}x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho} \partial_{\mu} \phi + \partial^{\rho}\phi \ \omega_{\rho \mu}\right) . Arrange the terms to get \delta \mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\mathcal{L} - \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi )} . Now, for a scalar field, you have \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi )} \propto \omega_{\rho \mu} \ \partial^{\rho} \phi \ \partial^{\mu}\phi = 0 , because of the \omega_{\rho \mu} = - \omega_{\mu\rho}. So, you are left with \delta \mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} x^{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho}\mathcal{L} = - \omega^{\rho}{}_{\sigma} \ \partial_{\rho} \left( x^{\sigma} \mathcal{L}\right) .
The Lagrangian will still be scalar, but the transformation of the (spinor) field will no longer be \delta \psi = -\omega^{\mu}{}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\psi . You have to account for the spin of the field by including an appropriate spin matrix \Sigma: \delta \psi_{a} = -\omega^{\mu}{}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\ \partial_{\mu}\psi_{a} + \omega_{\rho \sigma} (\Sigma^{\rho\sigma})_{a}{}^{c} \ \psi_{c} .

Thanks!
I got the same result!
 

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