What is Noether: Definition and 67 Discussions

Noether is the family name of several mathematicians (particularly, the Noether family), and the name given to some of their mathematical contributions:

Max Noether (1844–1921), father of Emmy and Fritz Noether, and discoverer of:
Noether inequality
Max Noether's theorem, several theorems
Emmy Noether (1882–1935), professor at the University of Göttingen and at Bryn Mawr College
Noether's theorem (or Noether's first theorem)
Noether's second theorem
Noether normalization lemma
Noetherian rings
Nöther crater, on the far side of the moon, named after Emmy Noether
Fritz Noether (1884–1941), professor at the University of Tomsk
Gottfried E. Noether (1915–1991), son of Fritz Noether, statistician at the University of Connecticut

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  1. S

    I Noether currents for a complex scalar field and a Fermion field

    For a complex scalar field, the lagrangian density and the associated conserved current are given by: $$ \mathcal{L} = \partial^\mu \psi^\dagger \partial_\mu \psi -m^2 \psi^\dagger \psi $$ $$J^{\mu} = i \left[ (\partial^\mu \psi^\dagger ) \psi - (\partial^\mu \psi ) \psi^\dagger \right] $$...
  2. LCSphysicist

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    (OBS: Don't take the index positions too literal...) Generally it is easy to deal with these type of exercises for discrete system. But since we need to evaluate it for continuous, i am a little confused on how to do it. Goldstein/Nivaldo gives these formulas: I am trying to understand how...
  3. N

    A Noether and the derivative of the Action

    I know that the Action has units Energy·time or Momentum·position. A second fact is that the derivative of the action with respect to time is Energy and similar with momentum-position, consistent with a units ie. dimensions check.Is it a coincidence that both are Noether conserved quantities...
  4. LCSphysicist

    Noether Current: Understanding 2.10 & 2.11

    I just don't understand what happened after (2.11). That' is, the second term is zero, so we have $$\alpha \Delta L = \alpha \partial_{\mu} ( \frac{\partial L}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi)} \Delta \phi )$$ So, second (2.10), isn't ##\Delta L = \alpha \partial_{\mu} J^{\mu}(x)##? So shouldn't...
  5. G

    A Find Noether Normalization

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  6. wrobel

    A How Does Noether's Theorem Extend Beyond Conservation in Hamiltonian Systems?

    In Hamiltonian statement the Noether theorem is read as follows. Consider a system with the Hamiltonian function $$H=H(z),\quad z=(p,x),\quad p=(p_1,\ldots,p_m),\quad x=(x^1,\ldots,x^m)$$ and the phase space ##M,\quad z\in M.## Assume that this system has a one parametric group of symmetry...
  7. M

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  8. peguerosdc

    Noether's theorem with non-finite transformations

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  9. D

    I Noether's theorem for discrete symmetry

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  10. H

    A Derivation of the Noether current - Lorentz Transformation

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  11. Almighty BOB

    A Energy conservation on Cosmological scales

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  12. binbagsss

    QFT, Noether and Invariance, Complex fields, Equal mass

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  13. J

    A Time independence of a Noether charge in QFT?

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  14. facenian

    I Understanding Noether Theorem & Transformations

    I've been looking at the original work of Noether and I'm confused about this point. The transformation of fields and coordinates are supossed to form a group, then how the inverse of $$B^{\mu}=B^{\mu}(A^{\mu},\partial A^{\mu}/\partial x^{\nu},x^{\mu},\epsilon) $$...
  15. Ken Gallock

    I Lorentz transformation and its Noether current

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  16. L

    I A question about Noether theorem

    How can I derive that the work of a force perpendicular to velocity is always zero from the theorem of Noether? I have heard that there is a relation between these two but in Google I found nothing. Thank you very much
  17. F

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  18. Dadface

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  19. S

    Conservation of Noether charge for complex scalar field

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  20. S

    Conserved Noether charges for Lorentz symmetry of the action

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  21. S

    Conserved Noether current under SO(3) symmetry of some Lagrangian

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  22. S

    Conserved Noether current under U(1) symmetry of some Lagrangian

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  23. G

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  24. G

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  25. S

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  27. D

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  28. D

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  29. D

    Proving that a Noether charge is constant

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  30. Breo

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  31. T

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  32. Breo

    Calculating Noether Currents in Peskin & Schroeder QFT

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  33. C

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  34. B

    Derivation of Noether currents under Lorentz Transformation

    Is there anywhere I can see the explicit derivation for a massless real scalar and for the EM field? thank you.
  35. F

    GR Noether Current: Confirm Pseudo Tensor?

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  36. K

    The interpretation of noether currents in scalar QED

    In scalar QED, there are two noether currents ##J_{global}## and ##J_{local}##corresponding to the global and local gauge transformations respectively. In QED, the two currents are exactly the same. But in scalar QED, they are totally different. $$J_{global}^\mu=i e (\phi^\dagger...
  37. S

    Is Noether's theorem applicable to both cases?

    Hi, I read about Noether's theorem, which states that if, under a continuous transformation, the Lagrangian is changed by a total derivative \delta \cal L = \partial_\mu F^\mu then there is a conserved current j^\mu = \frac{\partial \cal L}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}\delta \phi - F^\mu...
  38. Ravi Mohan

    Noether current for exchange symmetry

    In Quantum Mechanics, when we exchange identical particles the physics doesn't change. I wonder what stuff is conserved when this symmetry is demanded. I asked my professor but he didnt/couldnt answer. Google is no help either.
  39. M

    Noether theorem and scaling, ex.: 1-D Harmonic Oscillator

    Hello, if I think of the harmonic oscillator action S = ∫L dt, L = 1/2 (dx/dt)^2 - 1/2 x^2, and then of the "scaling transformation" x -> x' = 1/a x (a>0, const), then x = a x', and in new coordinates x', S' has the same form as in x except for multiplication by the constant a, formally...
  40. tom.stoer

    Magnetic monopoles and Noether theorem

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  41. P

    MHB Geometric meaning of Noether normalization theorem

    Let $X\subset \mathbb{A}^n$ be an affine variety, let $I(X)=\{f\in k[X_1,\ldots,X_n]:f(P)=0,\ \forall P \in X\}$. We consider the ring $$A=k[a_1,\ldots,a_n]=\frac{k[X_1,\ldots,X_n]}{I(X)}$$ where $a_i=X_i \mod I(X)$.Noether normalization says that there are algebraically indipendent linear forms...
  42. atomqwerty

    Lagrangians and Noether Theorem

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  43. P

    Electromagnetic spin from Noether theorem and spin photon

    hi, I try to use the Noether theorem to determinate the angular momentum of the electromagnetic field described by the Lagrangian density L=-FαβFαβ/4 After some calculation I find a charge Jαβ that is the angular momentum tensor. So the generator of rotations are (J^{23},J^{31},J^{12}) =...
  44. A

    Deriving charge for Noether current in free complex scalar field QFT

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  45. S

    Noether currents for local gauge symmetry

    hi everyone, I have been trying to understand gauge theory. I am familiar with the Noether's theorem applied in the context of simpler textbook cases like poincare invariant Lagrangians. This is my question: Are there Noether currents corresponding to the local gauge symmetries too and would...
  46. W

    From noether theorem to Laplace-runge-lenz vector

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  47. E

    Noether current for SO(N) invariant scalar field theory

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  48. S

    How do you correctly pronounce these German words?

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  49. M

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  50. C

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