Lorentz transformations losing on both sides

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations in the context of two events occurring in an inertial frame. The original poster presents a scenario where they seek to determine if there exists another frame where the two events occur at the same spatial location.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to equate the transformed coordinates of the two events and notes the cancellation of a variable, leading to confusion about its implications. Some participants question the feasibility of finding a velocity less than the speed of light that satisfies the transformation equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the implications of the cancellation of the variable and the conditions under which Lorentz transformations apply. There is recognition that a velocity exceeding the speed of light would invalidate the transformation, but no consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's conclusion about the impossibility of finding such a frame.

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Participants highlight the importance of the relationship between space and time coordinates in the context of the Lorentz transformation, as well as the constraints imposed by the speed of light on possible velocities.

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Homework Statement



Two events occur in an inertial system K as follows:
Event 1: x1 = a, t1 = 2a/c, y1 = 0, z1 = 0
Event 2: x2 = 2a, t2 = 3a/(2c), y2 = 0, z2 = 0

Is there a frame K' in which the two events described
occur at the same place? Explain.

Homework Equations



Lorentz transformation:
x' = (x-vt)/(sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



I set both equations up as x' (equal to each other), plugged in the values on each side for x1 and x2, and it resulted in me losing 'a' on both sides (cancels out). I'm assuming that this means there is no frame K' where they would occur in the same place, but I am a bit surprised at that answer and am not sure how to explain it. Can someone explain why I am losing 'a' on both sides of the equation and what that means when it occurs?
 
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You are losing a on both sides because both t and both x are proportional to it. This is not the issue, the question is if you can find a v < c such that the equation you got is fulfilled. Can you?
 
Orodruin said:
You are losing a on both sides because both t and both x are proportional to it. This is not the issue, the question is if you can find a v < c such that the equation you got is fulfilled. Can you?

Thanks for the information. As far as a v < c, the final answer I get is that v = -2c. Here is what I work with:

a - v(2a/c) = 2a - v(3a/(2c))

a - v(4a/(2c) = 2a - v(3a/(2c))

-a = va/(2c)

-2c = v

So, from what you're telling me, this basically means that it is impossible because the velocity would need to be 2x the speed of light in the -x direction?
 
If |v| > c, then the gamma factor of the transformation is no longer real. There simply are no Lorentz transformations that have |v| ≥ c. But you are correct in that there is no such transformation and therefore no such frame.

A different way of looking at it would be to simply check whether or not you can travel from one event to the other with a speed smaller than c. The statements are equivalent. This is easiest done by computing if |Δx| < c |Δt|.
 
Well thanks a lot for the information. I really appreciate it. Makes perfect sense.
 

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