Loss of mass of an object falling through air

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a spacecraft falling through the atmosphere, particularly focusing on the loss of mass and energy dynamics during reentry. Participants explore the complexities of satellite deorbiting, potential dangers associated with uncontrolled reentry, and the effects of atmospheric drag on falling objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Sumit raises a question about calculating mass loss for a falling object, specifically an iron spacecraft, while considering atmospheric effects.
  • One participant asserts that no man-made object in space would release as much energy as the Nagasaki bomb, suggesting that the kinetic energy of the ISS is significantly lower and that uncontrolled falls are rare.
  • Another participant explains that a spacecraft accelerates until the atmosphere becomes dense enough to slow it down, leading to heating and potential break-up before reaching the surface.
  • There are inquiries about the safe altitude for destroying a falling satellite without creating space debris, with one participant arguing that it is impossible to do so without generating debris.
  • Concerns are raised about the dangers of toxic chemicals from malfunctioning satellites, particularly if they contain hazardous materials like hydrazine.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the energy release of falling objects and the feasibility of destroying satellites without debris. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of mass loss calculations and the implications of satellite destruction.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about atmospheric effects and the behavior of falling objects are not fully explored, and there are unresolved questions about the dynamics of satellite reentry and the implications of chemical hazards.

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Hello All,

I am an electrical engineer and hence quite far away from mechanics of masses.

I just came to know that a spacecraft got crazy and might fall on earth.

I did a simple math using MATLAB considering no atmosphere with h and m of the object as input and Nagasaki Bomb scale energy release upon contact as output.

But there will be atmosphere which will lead to loss in mass. How do I do that (assuming the falling object is as Iron)

Regards,
Sumit
 
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There is no man-made object in space that would release as much energy as the Nagasaki bomb. Even the kinetic energy of the ISS is just at ~4000 tons of TNT and it won't fall on Earth in an uncontrolled way.

Simulating how things break up into smaller pieces on reentry is very complex.
Satellites reach terminal velocity in the atmosphere before they (or their pieces) hit the ground - might be deadly if something happens to fall onto your head, but without any effect if it does not directly hit anything (and the Earth is huge and mainly empty). Satellites deorbit all the time, so far nothing hit anything. Space stations get deorbited in a controlled way.
 
Thanks for the reply!

I understand that very well.

My question is out of curiosity and not out of scare. You can sat a fun timepass at office :)
 
The spacecraft is already traveling much faster than terminal velocity (around 15,000 mph). As the atmosphere sucks energy out of the orbit, the orbit is getting smaller (losing potential energy), with a lot of that potential energy being turned into kinetic energy (velocity). So, ironically, the spacecraft is speeding up in spite of the thickening, but still thin atmosphere, until, eventually, the atmosphere is thick enough to actually start slowing the spacecraft .

Hence the heating and the break-up of the spacecraft long before reaching the surface. Only the strongest of spacecraft parts have any chance of reaching the surface (titanium spherical fuel tanks from Delta II boosters are notorious for surviving re-entry).
 
What is the safe altitude to blow up a falling satellite with a missile such that no space debris is created ? I remember the US did it few years ago and China did it too.
 
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What is the safe altitude to blow up a falling satellite with a missile such that no space debris is created ? I remember the US did it few years ago and China did it too.
It's not possible to do it without space debris, the trick is to make that debris stay up there for as short of time as possible. The atmosphere doesn't stop, it just kinda fades away as you get higher up. The lower you are, the more drag and the faster it'll be slowed enough to crash down. Any object in Earth orbit will eventually either be sucked into Earth or be thrown off into space, any satellite is by default in a death spiral and will come down if left up there long enough. Remember interplanetary space isn't a vacuum, the sun's heliosphere has it's own friction.
 
Just don't blow up deorbiting satellites - there is no point in that (unless you expect some hostile mission of the satellite).
 
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Just don't blow up deorbiting satellites - there is no point in that (unless you expect some hostile mission of the satellite).
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/20/satellite.shootdown/index.html
Without intervention, officials say, the satellite would have fallen to Earth on its own in early March. However, since it malfunctioned immediately after it was launched in December 2006, it had a full tank -- about 1,000 pounds -- of frozen, toxic hydrazine propellant.
The fuel tank probably would have survived re-entry if the satellite had fallen to Earth on its own. That could have dispersed harmful or even potentially deadly fumes over an area the size of two football fields. Hydrazine is similar to chlorine or ammonia in that it affects the lungs and breathing tissue.

The danger seems to be only with new satellites with their tanks full.
 
Hmm okay, dangerous chemicals can be an issue if you lose control over the satellite.
 

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