Low altitude satellites orbiting around planet with twice radius

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The discussion revolves around the orbital periods of low altitude satellites around two planets made of identical material, where one planet has a radius twice that of the other. The original poster presents a scenario where the period for a satellite orbiting the smaller planet is known to be 40 minutes, and they seek to determine the period for the satellite orbiting the larger planet.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the radius of the planets and the orbital periods of the satellites. There is discussion about the implications of the planets having the same density and how that affects mass and gravitational attraction. Some participants express uncertainty about how to calculate the velocity of the satellites and the resulting periods.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various equations and reasoning related to gravitational potential energy and orbital mechanics. There is recognition of the need to consider both the radius and mass of the planets in determining the orbital period, but no consensus has been reached on the final period for the larger planet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the planets are made of the same material, which implies equal density, and they question how this affects the mass of the larger planet compared to the smaller one. There is also mention of the volume relationship between the two planets, with calculations indicating that the larger planet's volume is eight times that of the smaller planet.

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Homework Statement


Two remote planets consist of identical material, but one has a radius twice as large as the other. IF the shortest possible period for a low altitude satellite orbiting the smaller planet is 40 minutes, what is the shortest possible period for a similar low altitude satellite orbiting the larger one? Answer in minutes.


Homework Equations


volume of sphere=4/3 ∏r3
speed=distance/time
Ek=-1/2 Eg


The Attempt at a Solution


rB=2rA

timeA=2∏r/VA
40=2∏r/VA

Don't really know how to move on from here? I know I have to find the time taken for the satellite to orbit planet B.

TB=2∏(2rA)/VB

I don't know VB, how would I find that?
 

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totallyclone said:

Homework Statement


Two remote planets consist of identical material, but one has a radius twice as large as the other. IF the shortest possible period for a low altitude satellite orbiting the smaller planet is 40 minutes, what is the shortest possible period for a similar low altitude satellite orbiting the larger one? Answer in minutes.


Homework Equations


volume of sphere=4/3 ∏r3
speed=distance/time
Ek=-1/2 Eg


The Attempt at a Solution


rB=2rA

timeA=2∏r/VA
40=2∏r/VA

Don't really know how to move on from here? I know I have to find the time taken for the satellite to orbit planet B.

TB=2∏(2rA)/VB

I don't know VB, how would I find that?

The larger planet will have a much larger mass [same material presumably means same density]

Radius of orbit around the larger planet is larger [just a little larger than the planet itself]

I would be looking at the effect of doubling the radius of orbit of the satellite around the smaller planet, then the effect of having a larger mass attracting the satellite.
 
PeterO said:
The larger planet will have a much larger mass [same material presumably means same density]

Radius of orbit around the larger planet is larger [just a little larger than the planet itself]

I would be looking at the effect of doubling the radius of orbit of the satellite around the smaller planet, then the effect of having a larger mass attracting the satellite.

So I doubled the radius. I didn't notice their densities would be the same since they're made of the same material. Anyways:

EKA=-1/2 EGA
1/2 mvA2=-1/2(-GmMA/rA)
vA2=GMA/rA

and

EKB=-1/2 EGB
1/2 mvB2=-1/2(-GmMB/2rA)
vB2=GMB/2rA
 
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totallyclone said:
So I doubled the radius. I didn't notice their densities would be the same since they're made of the same material. Anyways:

EKA=-1/2 EGA
1/2 mvA2=-1/2(-GmMA/rA)
vA2=GMA/rA

and

EKB=-1/2 EGB
1/2 mvB2=-1/2(-GmMB/2rA)
vB2=GMB/2rA

I was looking for an answer like: If you double the radius (while retaining the planet mass), you double/halve/quadruple/quarter the period.

You would then look at: When you double/treble/quadruple/etc the mass of the planet (independent of the radius), you (some change) the Period.

You then combine those effects:

eg if one change means halving, and the other means increasing by a factor of 12; then net result is an increase by a factor of 6.
 
Volume of B=4/3 ∏r3
=4/3∏(2rA)3
=4/3∏(8rA3)
=8(4/3∏rA3)
=8 volume of A

So, planet B's volume is 8 times of A's...
 
totallyclone said:
So I doubled the radius. I didn't notice their densities would be the same since they're made of the same material. Anyways:

EKA=-1/2 EGA
1/2 mvA2=-1/2(-GmMA/rA)
vA2=GMA/rA

and

EKB=-1/2 EGB
1/2 mvB2=-1/2(-GmMB/2rA)
vB2=GMB/2rA

I would be addressing the expression a = 4π2.R / T2
one of the more useful expressions relating to the acceleration of a body moving in a circle.
 
totallyclone said:
Volume of B=4/3 ∏r3
=4/3∏(2rA)3
=4/3∏(8rA3)
=8(4/3∏rA3)
=8 volume of A

So, planet B's volume is 8 times of A's...

Given they are made of the same material (imagine if you were using two steel balls to model the situation) what effect would that have on the mass.
 

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