Lower energy level more stable why?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of stability in states of matter, particularly why lower energy states are often considered more stable than higher energy states. Participants explore thermodynamic principles, entropy, and the influence of temperature on stability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the simplicity of the idea that lower energy states are more stable, suggesting that thermodynamic stability also depends on entropy and temperature.
  • Another participant provides an example involving calcium oxide and carbon dioxide, explaining how the stability of products and reactants can change with temperature, highlighting the role of entropy.
  • A participant mentions that even thermodynamically unstable states can exhibit kinetic stability, meaning transformations may occur very slowly.
  • One contribution states that force is related to the gradient of the potential energy function, indicating that movement away from a low energy state is resisted by a force pushing back toward it.
  • Another participant asserts that a state can spontaneously shed excess energy to transition to a lower energy state, while the reverse process requires an external energy source.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing stability, particularly regarding the roles of energy, entropy, and temperature. There is no consensus on a singular explanation for the stability of lower energy states.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion involves concepts that may not be fully accessible at a high school level, such as Gibbs free energy and the complexities of thermodynamic stability.

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I am a high school student.. I have come across so many times that lower energy state of matter is more stable than higher energy states .. I can't understand why. Someone help me out.. Thanks.
 
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It's not that simple. The thermodynamic stability of a state of matter, relative to some other state, depends not only on the difference in "energy" between the states, but also on the difference in the entropy of the states. The relative importance of these considerations depends on temperature. In higher temperature the higher energy state can be more stable.

Also, even a thermodynamically unstable state can be kinetically stable, which means that the transformation to other states is so slow that it can't be observed.
 
hilbert2 said:
It's not that simple. The thermodynamic stability of a state of matter, relative to some other state, depends not only on the difference in "energy" between the states, but also on the difference in the entropy of the states. The relative importance of these considerations depends on temperature. In higher temperature the higher energy state can be more stable.

Also, even a thermodynamically unstable state can be kinetically stable, which means that the transformation to other states is so slow that it can't be observed.

I do have some idea on thermodynamics can u explain further?
 
For example, at room temperature calcium oxide and carbon dioxide react to form calcium carbonate: ##CaO + CO_{2}\longrightarrow CaCO_{3}##. The product is lower in energy than the reactants, and therefore energy is released to the surroundings in the reaction. However, at a high temperature the combination of ##CaO## and ##CO_ {2}## is more stable than ##CaCO_{3}##. Therefore, when calcium carbonate is heated strongly, the opposite reaction happens: ##CaCO_{3}\longrightarrow CaO + CO_{2}##. This happens because the ##CaO## and ##CO_ {2}## are higher in entropy than ##CaCO_{3}##.

Investigating the stability of states of matter, using concepts like Gibbs free energy, is not high school level material, but you will encounter it if you go on to study chemistry and physics in university.
 
"Force" is the negative of the gradient of the potential energy function. That is, the gradient points in the direction of increasing energy so the force vector point in the direction of decreasing energy. If we move away from a position of lowest energy, the resultant force pushes us back.
 
It's very simple. A state can spontaneously shed excess energy and convert to a lower energy state. The reverse cannot be done spontaneously because it requires an external source of energy to supply the needed energy excess.
 

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