Lunar Gravity velocity on impact

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance a stone falls and its velocity upon impact when dropped from a cliff on the moon, where the acceleration due to gravity is given as $-1.6 m/s^2$. Participants explore the application of kinematic equations in this context, addressing both the theoretical setup and the calculations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the equation $f(t)=-1.6t^2+1.6t+S_0$ but expresses uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant points out that the initial velocity $v_0$ should be zero since the stone is dropped, not thrown.
  • A kinematic equation for displacement is proposed: $s(t)=\frac{1}{2}at^2+v_0t+s_0$, leading to a different formulation of the fall distance.
  • Calculations are performed to find the initial height $S_0$ and the velocity at impact, with results of $320m$ for the distance and $-32m/s$ for the velocity being mentioned.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for supporting calculus to derive the equations used in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the initial conditions or the correct setup of the equations, as participants express differing views on the initial velocity and the formulation of the equations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the units of acceleration and the implications of the term "dropped" in relation to initial velocity. There are also references to the need for calculus in deriving the equations used.

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Lunar Gravity, On the moon, the acceleration due to gravity is $-1.6m/s$ . A stone dropped from a cliff on the moon and hits the surface of the moon $20s$ later.
How far did it fall?
What is the velocity at impact.?

well here I presume since the rock is just dropped that $v_0=1.6m/s$ but the time is known t=20s and

$f(t)=-1.6t^2+1.6t+S_0$

$f'(t)=-3.2t+1.6

but I don't think this is set up right.
Ans 320m; -32m/s
 
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Just a trivial matter perhaps, but the units of acceleration are distance per time squared.

Now, recall the kinematic equation for displacement given constant acceleration is:

$\displaystyle s(t)=\frac{1}{2}at^2+v_0t+s_0$

Since the rock is dropped, its initial velocity is zero. Its final height is zero, and it fell for 20 seconds. Hence, we may state:

$\displaystyle f(t)=-0.8t^2+s_0$

Solve for $\displaystyle s_0$ given:

$\displaystyle f(20)=0$

To find the velocity at impact, evaluate:

$\displaystyle f'(20)$
 
karush said:
Lunar Gravity, On the moon, the acceleration due to gravity is $-1.6m/s$ . A stone dropped from a cliff on the moon and hits the surface of the moon $20s$ later.
How far did it fall?
What is the velocity at impact.?

well here I presume since the rock is just dropped that $v_0=1.6m/s$ but the time is known t=20s and

$f(t)=-1.6t^2+1.6t+S_0$

$f'(t)=-3.2t+1.6

but I don't think this is set up right.
Ans 320m; -32m/s

1. The units of the acceleration due to gravity are \(m/s^2\)

2. Dropped usually means that \(v_0=0\)

3. \( \displaystyle s(t)=\frac{g\; t^2}{2}+v_0 t +s_0 = - \frac{1.6\; t^2}{2}+s_0\)

When the rock hits the surface \(s(t)=0\), so ...

4. \(\displaystyle v(t)=g\;t+v_0 = \) ...

5. Since this is in calculus you need the supporting calculus: The equations in (3) and (4) above are obtained by integrating \(\ddot{s}= g\) and using \(v(t)=\dot{s}(t)\) with initial conditions \(\dot{s}(0)=v(0)=v_0\) and \(s(0)=s_0\).
 
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thanks much everyone, that was a great help:) $0=-0.8(20)^2+S_o\ \ S_o=320m$

$f'(20)=-1.6(20) =-32m/s$will be back with more, seem to slip and slide with this stuff.
 

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