Machine gun conservation of momentum problem

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The problem involves calculating the average force exerted on a soldier by a machine gun that fires bullets at a specified rate, mass, and speed. The context is rooted in the principles of momentum and impulse in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the impulse equation and the interpretation of time intervals in the context of the problem. There is confusion regarding the correct use of Δt and how it relates to the firing rate of the bullets.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the time variable in the impulse equation. Some have suggested that using a Δt of 3 seconds could lead to a different calculation of mass, while others are questioning the reasoning behind dividing by 3 in the original attempt. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the firing rate and the time intervals used in calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the time taken for each bullet to be fired and how that affects the calculations. Participants are also considering the implications of using different time intervals in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


A machine gun held by a soldier fires bullets at the rate of three per second. Each bullet has a mass of 30 g and a speed of 1200 m/s. Find the average force exerted on the soldier.


Homework Equations


FΔt = mgf-mgi


The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted to do this by plugging it into the above equation 1200(.03)/ 3 = 12 to find the average force. The actual answer is 108. I know that the 3 should actually be multiplied to find the force but I am not sure why. Wouldn't that be finding the average momentum per second?
 
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BrainMan said:

Homework Statement


A machine gun held by a soldier fires bullets at the rate of three per second. Each bullet has a mass of 30 g and a speed of 1200 m/s. Find the average force exerted on the soldier.


Homework Equations


FΔt = mgf-mgi


The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted to do this by plugging it into the above equation 1200(.03)/ 3 = 12 to find the average force. The actual answer is 108. I know that the 3 should actually be multiplied to find the force but I am not sure why. Wouldn't that be finding the average momentum per second?

Isn't the impulse equation:

FΔt = mΔv ?

What Δt are you using?

Remember, the cyclic rate of the gun is 3 rounds per second.
 
SteamKing said:
Isn't the impulse equation:

FΔt = mΔv ?

What Δt are you using?

Remember, the cyclic rate of the gun is 3 rounds per second.

Yes it is the title was a typo. I am using 3 as the change in time.
 
BrainMan said:
1200(.03)/ 3 = 12

Why did you divide by 3?
 
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Nathanael said:
Why did you divide by 3?

because I thought that was the Δt.
 
BrainMan said:
because I thought that was the Δt.

You could make Δt 3 if you want to, but then would the "1200*0.3" be correct? (To me that implies Δt=1/3 since 0.3 is the mass of one bullet and it takes 1/3 of a second for 1 bullet to be shot.)

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What is the mass of all the bullets shot in Δt=3 seconds?
 
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Nathanael said:
You could make Δt 3 if you want to, but then would the "1200*0.3" be correct? (To me that implies Δt=1/3 since 0.3 is the mass of one bullet and it takes 1/3 of a second for 1 bullet to be shot.)

Edit:
What is the mass of all the bullets shot in Δt=3 seconds?

OK I see the time would be 1/3 because it takes 1/3 of a second to fire a bullet therefore you have to divide by 1/3. Thanks!
 
BrainMan said:
OK I see the time would be 1/3 because it takes 1/3 of a second to fire a bullet therefore you have to divide by 1/3. Thanks!

Yes, correct.

But you could use any Δt you want. If Δt=3 then instead of 1200*0.03 you'll have 1200*0.27 (because 0.27 is the mass of all of the bullets shot in 3 seconds).

Then divide by 3 and you'll get the same answer.
 

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