Maglev Train and Earth's Rotation

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a maglev train at rest in relation to the Earth's rotation. Participants explore whether the train will begin to move or remain stationary due to the effects of the Earth's rotation and the nature of a frictionless environment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the Earth being a rotating reference frame and question the initial conditions of the train's motion. There is an exploration of concepts such as Coriolis acceleration and the effects of frictionless motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the initial speed of the train and its relationship to the Earth's motion. Some participants suggest that the train should maintain its state of motion, while others express confusion about the implications of being in a frictionless environment.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions related to the train's initial state and the nature of forces acting on it in a rotating reference frame. Participants are considering the implications of these assumptions on the train's motion.

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Homework Statement


Will a maglev train beginning at rest slowly drift or accelerate due to the rotation of the earth?

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The Earth is a rotating reference frame, with points on the equator moving at approximately 1000 miles per hour. If the maglev is not coupled in any way to the Earth (via friction), I would expect that the Earth would begin to move underneath the train, and the train would appear to move in that reference frame. Ultimately, the train would continue to accelerate until it reached a maximum speed, limited by wind resistance.
I understand that once moving it will become subject to Coriolis acceleration, but I am interested in the question of whether or not it will go from rest to moving at all.
 
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What's the initial speed of the train with respect to the earth?
 
It begins at rest. Question is, will it ever begin to move, or will it remain at rest?
 
It's at rest with respect to the earth, which means it's moving as fast as the Earth is. Why should its speed change?
 
Well, that's my confusion. If the Earth is a truly rotating reference frame, it moves with respect to a reference frame at rest. So, the Earth has imparted an initial speed of 1000 mph to the train with respect to the non-moving reference frame. But then the Earth no longer influences the train as it is frictionless, so I would expect the train to decelerate in the Earth's reference frame and approach rest in the non-moving reference frame.
 
Forget the train for a minute. Say you were sitting on a frictionless ice-covered pond. You're at rest, thus moving with the earth. Would you expect that you'd start to move faster and faster?
 
So you are suggesting that a body in motion tends to stay in motion. i.e. there are no forces acting on the train (or me on the pond), so I will keep right on moving with the earth. I can see that.
Consider for a second coriolis acceleration. If you fire a projectile a long distance, the Earth spins underneath it, so it appears the the projectile is moving with respect to the earth. Would this effect not then also affect a body at rest if it is frictionless?
 
DBirk said:
Consider for a second coriolis acceleration. If you fire a projectile a long distance, the Earth spins underneath it, so it appears the the projectile is moving with respect to the earth. Would this effect not then also affect a body at rest if it is frictionless?
No. There's no coriolis force for a non-moving body. (Non-moving with respect to the rotating frame.)
 

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