Magnetic energy stored in a cylindrical conductor

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The problem involves calculating the magnetic energy stored in an infinite cylindrical conductor carrying a stationary current. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of Ampere's law and the integration limits for calculating the magnetic energy both inside and outside the conductor.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Ampere's law to find the magnetic field and questions why the magnetic energy is only calculated for the conductor itself, suggesting that the entire space should be considered. They also seek guidance on how to compute the integral outside the conductor and the appropriate limits of integration.
  • Some participants suggest using a formula relating energy and inductance, while others clarify that the goal is to determine energy first before finding inductance.
  • One participant agrees with the original poster's reasoning about including the magnetic field outside the conductor and discusses how to compute the energy in a cylindrical shell.
  • Another participant mentions the relationship between energy density and the fields, indicating there are various ways to express energy density.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and clarifying concepts related to magnetic energy and field calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the relationship between energy density and fields.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is grappling with the integration limits and the conceptual understanding of magnetic energy in both the conductor and the surrounding space. There is a lack of consensus on how to approach the problem fully, and participants are actively questioning assumptions and definitions.

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Homework Statement


So I came across with following problem:

> Consider a cylindrical conductor of infinite length and circular section of radius a and that is traversed by a stationary current I. What is the magnetic energy stored in the conductor.

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
So my question is more of a conceptual one.
I proceeded to apply Ampere's law to calculate the B field which is \begin{cases} \frac{\mu_0Ir}{2\pi a^2} \,,\, r<a\\ \\ \\ \frac{\mu_0I}{2\pi r} \,,\, r>a\end{cases}

I checked the resolution of the problem and they seem to only calculate the magnetic energy on the conductor. But according to

$$\iiint_{all\,space} 0.5 B^2 \,dV$$

Shouldn't we take it all space? Because B isn't zero outside of the conductor. I'm so confused on why they just considered the conductor, am i misunderstanding something.

Also let me add that the integral in the cylinder gave us

$$\frac{\mu_0 I^2}{16 \pi}$$

I also have know idea on how to compute the integral outside the conductor. What limits of integration should I take?
I'm really confused, can someone help me?
 
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I believe the formula is E = 0.5 (L * I2). Then you would only need to find the inductance
 
David Lewis said:
I believe the formula is E = 0.5 (L * I2). Then you would only need to find the inductance

The goal of the exercise is to do the opposite e.g. determine E and then use that formula to get L. I didn't post that last bit because it was not relevant for the question I guess.
 
Granger said:
$$\frac{\mu_0 I^2}{16 \pi}$$

I also have know idea on how to compute the integral outside the conductor. What limits of integration should I take?
I'm really confused, can someone help me?
First, I agree with you that the B field outside the conductor must be added to that of the inside. I also agree with the given answer for just the inside mag field.

Do you know how you got the energy (per unit length BTW) for the inside energy? If so, proceed exactly the same way for the outside:
find energy in a cylindrical shell of thickness dr, length l and radius r. Compute the energy density at distance r from the center of the cylinder using the formula for B(r), r > a, which you already have. So differential energy = energy density times differential volume. The it should be obvious what the limits of integration over r have to be.

Keep the length l throughout your computations so you can check dimensions as you go, then at the end you can make l=1.
 
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energy density magnetic or electric, both are proportional to square of the module of either B or E

so , that says there's a lot of differents ways to express the energy density of a field , since both use their own distinct constants, e0 and u0 but there is a equivalency you can do by substitution of the energy density which is part of the potential energy of a system equation, and , link that formula , the the induction formula generated by a point in space .

hope this helps, i can post the formulas if you want
 

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