Magnetic field above the center of a square current loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field at a distance above the center of a square current loop, specifically focusing on the application of the Biot-Savart law. The original poster attempts to derive the magnetic field and verify its behavior in the dipole limit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of the Biot-Savart law, with the original poster considering the symmetry of the problem and the contribution of each segment of the loop to the magnetic field. There are questions regarding the correct interpretation of the angle in the cross product and the limits of integration.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the setup of the problem, emphasizing the importance of correctly identifying the angles and integrating over the appropriate limits. The original poster indicates progress after addressing these concerns, suggesting a productive direction in the discussion.

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There is mention of the need for careful diagramming and the potential for confusion regarding the angles involved in the calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of correctly defining the coordinates and distances in the context of the square loop.

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Homework Statement


Find the exact magnetic field a distance z above the center of a square loop of side w, carrying a current I. Verify that it reduces to the field of a dipole, with the appropriate dipole moment, when z >> w.

Homework Equations



(1) dB = μ0I/4πr2 dl × rhat

(2) r = √((½w)2+z2)

The Attempt at a Solution



I treated the loop like four current-carrying wires of finite length and used Biot-Savart. I think due to symmetry, the magnetic field in x-y should cancel at the center so all the magnetic field is in z. It seems intuitive to me that dB should just be 4*(1).

But what's confusing me is the dl × rhat term; I'm not sure my approach to it is sound. If rhat is the unit vector pointing along the distance r from a point on the loop to the point on the z-axis, it must be at some angle to x-y plane.

I can define an angle φ such that sinφ = z/r and write r in terms of z and w. Can I say the contribution from dl × r to the magnetic field dB is dl sinφ and write:

dB = μ0Iz/4πr3 dl

for each segment of the loop, where is r is as in (2) and dl = dw? Then my limits of integration would be 0 to w and I would multiply the result by 4. Does that make sense? Thank you.
 
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A carefully drawn diagram will be of immense help.
Your approach of treating the loop like four current carrying wires is correct. certainly, the net magnetic field is along the z direction, and the total field is four times the field of one wire.
I am writing vectors in bold font. Calculating the distance from an infinitesimal portion dl of the loop to the point on the z-axis should be done carefully. Place the square loop in the xy plane, with sides parallel to the x and y axes, and the center of the loop at the origin.The point on the z axis then has coordinates (0, 0, z). Consider anyone side of the square loop, say one that is parallel to the y-axis. Take an infinitesimal part dy of this side, located at a distance y from the center of the side. The coordinates of that point are (w/2, y, 0). The vector r points from this point (w/2, y, 0) to (0, 0, z). That should help you calculate the distance r. The angle between dl and r is the angle between that side and r. It s not the angle defined by you.
Hope these remarks help.
 
Ok, I found the length of r by subtracting (x, w/2, 0) - (0, 0, z) and taking the magnitude: r = √(x2+(w/2)2+z2). Then sinφ = z/r, so dB is

dB = μ0I/4π * z/ √(x2+(w/2)2+z2) * dx

Integrating from 0 to w and multiplying by 4 gives μ0Iz/π * zw/(z2+(w/2)2)3/2. But this is still a little off from the solution.
 
1. In your case, dl is along the x axis, so you should find the angle between the x-axis and r. You will need that angle to calculate dl x r. That will give you the magnetic field dB. Then you can find its z component by finding the angle between dB and the z axis. You are using the angle between r and the z axis. That is not the same.
2. You should integrate from -w/2 to + w/2 to get th total magnetic field B.
 
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When I found these correct angles I was able to get to the right answer. Thank you!
 
You are welcome.
 

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