What is Current loop: Definition and 103 Discussions

In electrical signalling an analog current loop is used where a device must be monitored or controlled remotely over a pair of conductors. Only one current level can be present at any time.
A major application of current loops is the industry de facto standard 4–20 mA current loop for process control applications, where they are extensively used to carry signals from process instrumentation to PID controllers, SCADA systems, and programmable logic controllers (PLCs). They are also used to transmit controller outputs to the modulating field devices such as control valves. These loops have the advantages of simplicity and noise immunity, and have a large international user and equipment supplier base. Some 4–20 mA field devices can be powered by the current loop itself, removing the need for separate power supplies, and the "smart" HART protocol uses the loop for communications between field devices and controllers. Various automation protocols may replace analog current loops, but 4–20 mA is still a principal industrial standard.

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  1. Boltzman Oscillation

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    Hi all, my work is shown on the attached image. The boxed equation is what I get to but I do not understand how to go from there to what the book has. I am guessing that the problem arises when trying to solve the cross product. I understand that I will need to find the value of the sine of the...
  2. P

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  3. M

    Magnetic field of a current loop

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  4. greg_rack

    Torque on a current loop caused by a magnetic field

    Okay, so, the magnetic field lying(parallel) to the plane of the coil is confusing me quite a bit. Usually, in this kind of problem, we have a magnetic field directed perpendicularly to the plane. Considering this orientation of the field, wouldn't the torque on this sort of "elementary brush...
  5. S

    Current in a current-carrying loop experiencing no torque

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  6. P

    Calculating the Force and Torque on a current loop

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  7. Leo Liu

    Torque on a circular current loop

    Can anyone please tell me why the torque on a circular current loop can be calculated by the equation below? In other words, what is the intuition for the formula? Thank you. (I modified my question to a particular case) $$ \vec{\tau} = I \vec{A} \times \vec{B} $$
  8. K

    Strange Ground Current Loop

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  9. S

    Torque on circular current loop

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  10. Luxucs

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  11. O

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  12. pobro44

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  13. Z

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  14. astrocytosis

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    Homework Statement Find the exact magnetic field a distance z above the center of a square loop of side w, carrying a current I. Verify that it reduces to the field of a dipole, with the appropriate dipole moment, when z >> w. Homework Equations (1) dB = μ0I/4πr2 dl × rhat (2) r =...
  15. M

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    Homework Statement A rectangular loop of wire with sides H = 22 cm and W = 77 cm is located in a region containing a constant magnetic field B = 0.82 T that is aligned with the positive y-axis as shown. The loop carries current I = 334 mA. The plane of the loop is inclined at an angle θ = 30°...
  16. G

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  17. FelixTheWhale

    Magnetic Field of Current loop around the Core

    Hello friends, I am trying to find how calculate the magnetic field created by current loop considering that there is a some geometry of material that can enhance the magnetic field. I thought it can be solved by multipling by permeability μ but realized that the iron core changes the picture of...
  18. T

    Does a Magnetic Moment μ exist for any closed current loop?

    I'm asking the above question as I imagined a current loop made out of a curving wire that cannot fit into a flat plane. Where does the direction of μ point then? Also, is there only one μ value for any current loop, independent of the chosen axis of tilting? Or can a current loop have...
  19. E

    The magnetic field induced by a current loop

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  20. DrPapper

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  21. S

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    Is it possible to find the magnetic field on the axis above a current loop using Ampere's law? I was thinking you could treat an infinitesimal piece of the loop as a straight wire and draw a circle around it with radius sqrt(a^2 + z^2), with a=radius of current loop and z=position of point of...
  22. D

    Magnetic field at the centre of a circular current loop

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  23. H

    Prove that the torque of any current loop is m X B

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  24. I

    Magnetic Force from Current Loops: Relativistic Treatment

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  25. K

    Electric Dipole Radiation from a Spinning Current Loop

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  26. ognik

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  27. W

    Current Loop Generating a Magnetic Field

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  28. D

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  29. A

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  30. LydiaAC

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  31. .Scott

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  32. G

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  33. B

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  34. Y

    Question on derivation of potential of a small current loop

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  35. P

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  36. Z

    Outward force on current loop (Ampere's Force Law)

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  37. N

    Current loop rotating to give magnetic moment

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  38. P

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  39. B

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  40. S

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  41. A

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  42. C

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  43. N

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  44. T

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  45. S

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  46. C

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  47. S

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  48. jegues

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  49. C

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  50. S

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