Magnetic Field and the resulting force

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of magnetic fields produced by current-carrying wires and the interactions between these fields and magnets. Participants explore the nature of magnetic fields, the forces acting on wires in magnetic fields, and the underlying principles governing these phenomena.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of magnetic fields generated by current and question the completeness of explanations provided by teachers. They inquire about the origins of rules like the right-hand rule and the implications of moving charges on energy loss.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions and seeking clarification on various aspects of magnetic fields and forces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the behavior of wires in magnetic fields and the relationship between moving charges and energy, but no consensus has been reached on the broader implications of these concepts.

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This is not a homework Problem.Just a doubt.
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The cross represents current-IN.
1-Magnetic field lines are produced in clockwise direction when current is going IN.
2-When wires carry currents IN,they form clockwise magnetic fields.So the magnetic fields of two wires join,forming a loop which attracts them(This is what my teacher said)
3-What happens in the case of a magnet?It won't form a "loop" because the field direction of the outer magnetic field of the magnet is opposite to that of the wire(A).But the inner field is in the same direction.
 

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That description from your teacher was a bit glib and incomplete. Hopefully you will study the forces on wire in an external magnetic field very soon.

A wire carrying a current does experience a force in the field of a magnet.
i.e. wire A will be deflected (roughly) upwards and to the right, wire B will be deflected upwards and to the left.

For two current carrying wires, consider the force on one current due to the field of the other wire: you'll see it follows the same rules.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/forwir2.html
 
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Thank you so much.I have another question.
How was that rule and right hand thumb rule discovered?(I assume by an experiment)
Why does it always obey that rule?
 
The hand-rule is a kinesthetic mnemonic for remembering the relationship for a vector cross product.
Math is the language of physics, used to describe the relationships we discover in Nature - this particular relationship, which was discovered through many experiments, happens to be well described by a cross product.
 
Another question.
If a moving charge produce magnetic fields,will it lose energy?
Fr example,it attracts an iron nail and in that process the iron nail hits something and some of the energy becomes heat.
So the charge will slow down?

I haven't studied these in detail.Just the basics :smile:
 
The magnetic field is part of what a moving charge is so no.
An accelerating charge loses energy though - except in special circumstances.
Charges flowing in a wire can slow down as a result of the overall interaction.
How magnetic fields can be exploited to "do work" is subtle - see link at the bottom.

In your example:
The nail - falling towards the magnet, exchanges EM potential energy for kinetic energy.
On impact, the kinetic energy is exchanged for elastic potential energy and heat.

http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=17176 ... for better details.
 
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Thanks.
I guess I will need to learn these things before thinking so much :wink:
 

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